The perilous, slippery slope of gay marriage
November 7th, 2009 – 8:16 PM“How would same-sex marriage hurt your marriage?” Advocates of changing our marriage laws tell us this is an unanswerable question.
A typical couple — Mary and John, married for 15 years — may find it tough to answer. That’s because it’s the wrong question. Mary and John won’t stop loving each other or be bounced out of their house if same-sex marriage prevails. To get at what’s really at stake, we need a different question: “How will same-sex marriage harm the institution of marriage — and in the long run, all of us?”
Marriage is a universal human institution. Across the world and throughout history, it’s been exclusively male-female. That’s not because of antigay bigotry, but because marriage is anchored in a primal biological and social fact: Sex between men and women creates new human beings.
The primary purpose of marriage is to ensure the best environment for rearing the children born of male-female sexual acts. Marriage channels men’s and women’s sexual attraction into productive ends, and harnesses the male sex drive by binding men to the mothers of their children. The evidence is overwhelming: Boys and girls flourish best with a married mother and father, who perform different and complementary roles in preparing them to deal with the world and the opposite sex.
Same-sex marriage would not — as advocates claim — merely extend the benefits of marriage to more people. It would gut marriage of its fundamental meaning and transform it from an institution centered on children and the mother/father nuclear family to one centered on adults. Marriage would become an artificial institution, bestowing state approval on any adult relationship based on affection and interdependence.
Such a redefinition would compel us to repudiate time-honored ideas of social organization. Last year, in mandating gay marriage, the Iowa Supreme Court rejected the belief that children need a mother and father as a mere “stereotype.” Courts are also beginning to upend our ideas about parenthood — jettisoning biological ties, recognizing “psychological” parents and including three-parent arrangements, with unpredictable results.
Same-sex marriage may not change the lives of John and Mary. But their children and grandchildren will bear the brunt of this cultural revolution. Today, only 59 percent of children live with their married biological or adoptive mother and father — a result of divorce, cohabitation and rising out-of-wedlock births. If same-sex marriage prevails, the marriage culture is likely to erode further.
In European countries and American states where same-sex marriage is legal, the proportion of gays choosing to marry is well below that of the heterosexual population. In America, about two-thirds of gay couples who seek legal recognition are lesbians. The larger society does not expect or pressure gay people to marry — for them, it’s just a matter of personal preference.
Over time, this attitude could reshape the larger institution of marriage. As social norms that have encouraged men and women to take on the hard work of raising a family unravel, heterosexual couples are less likely to see marriage as important or relevant. Increasingly, marriage is likely to become just one of many options in a lifestyle smorgasbord.
If marriage is primarily about children, some ask, what about infertile and older couples? If infertile male-female couples do adopt or have a child, that child will have a mother and father. The human body’s design makes clear that men and women — whatever their age — are naturally directed toward each other and complement one another.
If same sex-marriage prevails, we are likely to see further attempts to “expand” marriage.
Once marriage is stripped of its organic purpose, why restrict it to two people? Two lesbians and the sperm donor for their child, polygamists, bisexuals: All will want society to recognize and respect their relationships.
And why should marriage be open only to people with a sexual relationship? That discriminates against two female friends who want to share the burdens of rearing their kids, or a disabled brother and sister who live together. Some of the most influential proponents of same-sex marriage seek to “get the state out of the marriage business” altogether.
It’s ironic that in other realms of life, Americans are very aware of the risks of tampering excessively with nature. Many of those urging us to transform humankind’s fundamental social institution are the very people who preach about such risks in the environmental context and warn that the actions of individuals affect the well-being of all. The natural world, they say, can stretch only so far before breaking as we tinker with the realities of its systems.
We understand little about how marriage has undergirded the order and prosperity we take for granted. We tamper with marriage at our peril.
530 Responses to "The perilous, slippery slope of gay marriage"
My ELCA church is voting tomorrow on leaving the ELCA which has decided to go against the Bible and promote gay marriage.
It’s sad to see liberals infiltrating and destroying the church like this.
Katherine,
I could not be more disappointed (and as a Vikings fan that’s saying something).
On the very evening our Representatives are voting on a bill that has the potential to give them control of 15-20% of economy….
We get a re-tread Gay marriage column?
I used to think you were above the “chattering class”
“On the very evening our Representatives are voting on a bill that has the potential to give them control of 15-20% of economy….”
Tluck has a good point. If the Soci@lists get their way and are able to impose their agenda on us, it will cripple our economy.
Lets say we are lookin’ at 5 years down the line or maybe 10 and DownTown Dan has just happen to catch a few breaks plus worked hard and has been bring in 275,000 a year.
Now of course he’s on the Government plan ( As we all will be ).
One day after a stressful meeting he collapses and is rushed to the hospital and has emergency surgery.
Is the government going to look at what old ‘Town Dan has been making and decide he’s going to flip the bill insurance or no insurance.
I have a lot of question about this thing and I think the media has really failed us.
Have we seen a “Poor retired Jack and Jane” story about Medicare denial/errors/ etc.
Now Tiny hasn’t been feeling the greatest with some shoulder and neck pain that he thinks goes beyond his “neck thing” so he went and had a little talk with his Cardiologist.
Now she’s not sure wants going on so she gave Tiny a daily Nitro pill. Well 3 days and Tiny feels wonderful.
Tiny might just go in there and say to the Cardiologist “Lets just go up there and take a look around for sh^ts and giggles”
So Tiny goes in there its put on the schedule and we go get it done, no pre- approval, no wait.
Is this the way it will be 5 years from now?
I still want to know if liberal government beurocrats will give 25 year old illegal alien Jose his sex change operation before giving long time taxpayer and retired 70 year old John his much needed hip replacement.
One more…
Last year at this time some will know that I was having these brutal “neck spasms” that where happening with great intensity every few days.
Well after a couple months of physical therapy and nights where when I finally got to sleep I would question whether I’d wake up. I saw a Physicians Assistant asked for a Stress Test and had one the next day. The following day I was in Mercy with a 99% clogged artery and had a stent put in.
Any delay in any of this might have been the end for me.
Frankly this whole thing scares the hell out of me. We all should have put politics aside and got a bill that fixes thing without maybe screwing up what we do have.
In honor of the vote tonight on soci@list healthcare:
“I still want to know if liberal government beurocrats will give 25 year old illegal alien Jose his sex change operation before giving long time taxpayer and retired 70 year old John his much needed hip replacement. ”
So you’d rather have your boyfriend get his sex change operation before a 70 year old gets his hip replacement?
You’ll go to any means just to save your your boyfriend Jose won’t you D2.
You sure get things twisted around, don’t you Liberal Greg!
Not all the time.
I keep a few notes on blog folks to make sure I remember something about them.
Under your name it says:
Fascist extremist closet homosexual habitual liar with a fetish for rodents in his rectum and extremely unpatriotic.
“Under your name it says:
Fascist extremist closet homosexual habitual liar with a fetish for rodents in his rectum and extremely unpatriotic. ”
You’re almost a humorous as Leland, Liberal Greg!
Frankly this whole thing scares the hell out of me. We all should have put politics aside and got a bill that fixes thing without maybe screwing up what we do have.
Agreed. But that’s not how things work anymore.
We’re moving toward a government who’s core beliefs are..
Of the government, by the government, and for the government.
“We’re moving toward a government who’s core beliefs are..
Of the government, by the government, and for the government.”
You’re OK tluck, even though you’re a prick most of the time.
Well I split tons of oak today, and I’m tired. Have a good night everyone!
“Of the government, by the government, and for the government. ”
Agreed.
We need moderation.
We’re left with only two extremes right now and neither have the interests of the country in mind ..
only themselves.
“We need moderation.”
But you want liberalization Greg.
“But you want liberalization Greg. ”
And his lies keep stacking up.
Greg,
On scale of 1-10 on political views, 1 being Komrade Karl Marx and 10 being Ronald Reagan, you are about a -1, scoring the same as Keith Hakim Ellison (DFL).
“Greg,
On scale of 1-10 on political views, 1 being Komrade Karl Marx and 10 being Ronald Reagan, you are about a -1, scoring the same as Keith Hakim Ellison (DFL). ”
Considering the source ..
You’re OK tluck, even though you’re a prick most of the time.
That’s like saying, “Of the 5 ugliest b!tches in this class, you’re the hottest”.
.“We need moderation.”
He!l, I’d settle for a little common sense.
This bill will be the beginning of the end of the $USD.
“This bill will be the beginning of the end of the $USD.”
By design.
“He!l, I’d settle for a little common sense.”
I think the majority of us would.
“This bill will be the beginning of the end of the $USD. ”
I’m not convinced of that, but what I do know is that if nothing is done we were heading for issues .. but if you go to another extreme the same will happen.
Between the children in office and the misinformation terrorists on the tube, radio, and on the web we don’t get to where we need to be.
“I’m not convinced of that, but what I do know is that if nothing is done we were heading for issues ..”
Doing nothing would be much better that the disaster Nancy Pelosi is trying to cram down our throats…
Conservatives are tying to lower healthcare costs by doing things like getting trial lawyers under control, but that isn’t in the democrat bill because the democrat party is paided off by Big Trial Lawyer to block it.
I’m not convinced of that
You will be on Monday if it passes.
Good grief. Where to begin? This will be really, really long….
Marriage is a universal human institution. Across the world and throughout history, it’s been exclusively male-female.
Untrue. Some Native American cultures blessed same-sex unions, and there is evidence that same-sex marriages were performed in medieval Europe. The male-female exclusivity has generally been because of oppression of gay people and a general misunderstanding of homosexuality. And in many Muslim countries, men can have up to four wives.
The primary purpose of marriage is to ensure the best environment for rearing the children born of male-female sexual acts.
Oh? Says who? It may be a purpose of marriage for couples who choose to procreate or adopt, but that doesn’t necessarily make it the primary purpose. Since your entire column is based on this premise, your entire column is suspect.
Marriage channels men’s and women’s sexual attraction into productive ends…
Only if men and women are attracted to each other to begin with. Sorry, but my penis stays limp in the presence of women because I just do not find women sexually attractive. Never have, never will. It would be impossible for me to have sex with a woman unless some kind of drug forcing an erection were involved – and in that case, it would be rape (the woman raping me, because I would never consent to heterosexual sex).
…and harnesses the male sex drive by binding men to the mothers of their children.
Why am I not surprised that you would talk about “harnessing” men or their sex drives and “binding” them? Sounds kind of kinky, Katherine!
The evidence is overwhelming: Boys and girls flourish best with a married mother and father, who perform different and complementary roles in preparing them to deal with the world and the opposite sex.
Care to cite your sources? There is a large body of research showing that children raised by same-sex couples are just as healthy as those raised by opposite-sex couples. Furthermore, studies I have seen show that children raised by same-sex couples tend to be more open-minded and think more critically than children raised by opposite-sex couples.
No child is raised in a vacuum. All children, regardless of who is raising them, have a wide variety of role models of both genders.
Same-sex marriage would not — as advocates claim — merely extend the benefits of marriage to more people. It would gut marriage of its fundamental meaning and transform it from an institution centered on children and the mother/father nuclear family to one centered on adults.
But marriage is an institution centered on adults! Only adults can legally consent to marriage. Many opposite-sex married couples neither produce nor adopt children; these marriages have no children on which to center! And many same-sex couples are raising children.
Marriage would become an artificial institution, bestowing state approval on any adult relationship based on affection and interdependence.
But not even that is necessary for an opposite-sex couple to marry. Any opposite-sex couple can marry as long as they are not blood relatives of too close a degree. The state doesn’t ask any questions about why a couple is marrying; the license is granted as long as the very minimal state requirements are met.
Such a redefinition would compel us to repudiate time-honored ideas of social organization
At the very least they would be reexamined. Why is that a bad thing?
Courts are also beginning to upend our ideas about parenthood — jettisoning biological ties…
Excuse me, but when adopting, all biological ties are jettisoned almost all the time.
…recognizing “psychological” parents and including three-parent arrangements, with unpredictable results.
Because of divorce – funny how that word appears only once in your column – there are tens of thousands of three- and four-parent arrangements (sometimes the numbers are higher!). That has little to do with same-sex couples or same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriage may not change the lives of John and Mary.
It won’t change the lives of anyone other than those of same-sex couples who choose to marry. Just like your marriage doesn’t change anything about my life.
But their children and grandchildren will bear the brunt of this cultural revolution. Today, only 59 percent of children live with their married biological or adoptive mother and father — a result of divorce, cohabitation and rising out-of-wedlock births.
Which have nothing to do with same-sex couples!
If same-sex marriage prevails, the marriage culture is likely to erode further.
That depends on what you view as “erosion.” My view is that same-sex couples will strengthen the institution of marriage. Why? Because we have lived for years without the benefits of marriage. We’re already 100% devoted to our unions. We obviously don’t need government recognition of our unions for the stability we’ve already obtained. I’ve been with my husband for over twenty years. Ours is a stable, monogamous relationship. There are tens of thousands of same-sex couples like us across the country. Our entry into your institution of marriage would help stabilize it and perhaps help prevent the complete collapse toward which heterosexuals seem to be heading!
In European countries and American states where same-sex marriage is legal, the proportion of gays choosing to marry is well below that of the heterosexual population.
So what? If there were a similar statistic about opposite-sex black couples, would that be an argument to keep them from marriage? You’ll regret your argument if you see a decline in the number of opposite-sex couples choosing marriage.
In America, about two-thirds of gay couples who seek legal recognition are lesbians.
Again, so what? Why is this an argument against same-sex marriage?
The larger society does not expect or pressure gay people to marry
Not so much anymore, but not so long ago there certainly was an expectation that gay people would marry. The expectation was that they would marry persons of the opposite sex!
It sounds like you believe that society has finally realized that no one is better off when a gay person enters an opposite-sex marriage. Yet there is still enough homophobia in this country that many young gay people do feel pressured to conform and meet the expectations of their parents, religious institutions and communities. Expectations based on gender are imposed from the day the sex of a baby is known, and those expectations almost always include that the baby will grow up, marry someone of the opposite sex and reproduce with that person.
More and more people are becoming aware of the heartache and problems that are caused by gay people entering opposite-sex marriages. Fortunately the phenomenon seems to be decreasing, but it still exists. Wouldn’t we all be better off if we encouraged gay men and lesbians to be honest about who they are? Why on earth would any parent encourage a gay son or daughter to marry someone of the opposite sex? Would they want their straight children to marry a gay man or lesbian? Wouldn’t encouraging gay men and lesbians to enter same-sex marriage would many heterosexuals the pain of enduring a spouse’s coming out?
As social norms that have encouraged men and women to take on the hard work of raising a family unravel, heterosexual couples are less likely to see marriage as important or relevant.
You can’t blame same-sex marriage for this, Katherine. You straight people have to take all the blame. From Brittany Spears-like marriages to divorce, you straight people have already done a number on your institution of marriage. It’s not the fault of same-sex couples that heterosexuals have made a mockery of the institution of “traditional marriage.” Why not? Because same-sex couples haven’t been allowed to marry! The social norms are unraveling because heterosexual couples are letting them!
If marriage is primarily about children, some ask, what about infertile and older couples? If infertile male-female couples do adopt or have a child, that child will have a mother and father.
And if they don’t adopt or have a child, your entire argument falls flat.
The human body’s design makes clear that men and women — whatever their age — are naturally directed toward each other and complement one another.
First, wouldn’t the human body’s design make that clear whether or not people marry?
Second, it’s been said that the most important sexual organ is the brain. There’s nothing about the brain that is apparent in the design of the human body.
Third, gay men and lesbians are just as naturally directed toward members of their own genders as heterosexuals are directed toward members of the opposite gender.
If same sex-marriage prevails, we are likely to see further attempts to “expand” marriage.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe these attempts will happen even if same-sex marriage is never allowed.
Once marriage is stripped of its organic purpose, why restrict it to two people?
Because laws would have to be completely overhauled to accommodate anything but two-person unions. The existing legal framework just won’t work for polygamous, polyandrous or group unions.
All will want society to recognize and respect their relationships.
Of course they will. Just like you want society to recognize and respect yours. Why is this so horrible?
And why should marriage be open only to people with a sexual relationship?
As if it were now. There is no law requiring that a married couple be sexually active. Sex is not a legal requirement of marriage, and marriage is not a legal prerequisite of sex.
Some of the most influential proponents of same-sex marriage seek to “get the state out of the marriage business” altogether.
It’s one of three options to make things fair for all couples. The only fair options are civil marriage for all couples, civil unions for all couples, or no government recognition whatsoever for any couple.
Many of those urging us to transform humankind’s fundamental social institution are the very people who preach about such risks in the environmental context and warn that the actions of individuals affect the well-being of all. The natural world, they say, can stretch only so far before breaking as we tinker with the realities of its systems.
Well, Katherine, gay men and lesbians are as much a part of the natural world as are heterosexuals. It is as unnatural for us to engage in heterosexual acts as it would be for you to engage in lesbian acts. Government accommodation of this reality of nature will change nothing for any heterosexual person or opposite-sex couple.
We understand little about how marriage has undergirded the order and prosperity we take for granted.
If you understand it so little, how can you make any of your claims? Perhaps you should study the issue further and gain a better understanding before you spout off to the world.
The issue is one of fairness. Gay men and lesbians support their communities and their governments by paying taxes just like everyone else does. Some of those taxes go to fund benefits from which gay men and lesbians are excluded by virtue of being legally single. Why should I help fund the (admittedly paltry) death benefit Social Security pays your husband upon your death, Katherine, when my husband will receive nothing upon my death? The only way to get that benefit (and most of the other legal and financial benefits marriage bestows) is to be in a government-recognized marriage.
Why should I have to spend hundreds of dollars to draw up a medical power of attorney when you can spend, what, $60(?) to purchase a marriage license that gives you and your husband that power (and so much more)? Why should I have to testify against my husband in court when you’ll never have to? Why can you form a sole proprietorship with your husband, but I can’t with mine? Why does your husband automatically inherit your estate if you die intestate, but my husband doesn’t get a dime if I die intestate? I could go on and on – and note that these benefits have nothing to do with having children. We want these legal and financial protections for the people we love, Katherine, and the only way to get most of them is to be in a government-recognized marriage.
Unfortunately for you, Katherine, marriage has grown way beyond reproduction and rearing children. It’s entangled with over 1,300 legal and financial rights, benefits and privileges. If it weren’t for those rights, benefits and privileges, most same-sex couples probably wouldn’t care about marriage. After all, you can have a monogamous life-long relationship without marriage. But you can’t get those marriage benefits if the government doesn’t recognize your relationship. That’s why we’re fighting so hard for marriage. And we won’t give up until we get marriage. Even if it takes 1,000 years.
“You will be on Monday if it passes. ”
It sounds like the soci@lists don’t have the needed votes so far, but it’s close.
Good grief. Where to begin? This will be really, really long….
Marriage is a universal human institution. Across the world and throughout history, it’s been exclusively male-female.
Untrue. Some Native American cultures blessed same-sex unions, and there is evidence that same-sex marriages were performed in medieval Europe. The male-female exclusivity has generally been because of oppression of gay people and a general misunderstanding of homosexuality. And in many Muslim countries, men can have up to four wives.
The primary purpose of marriage is to ensure the best environment for rearing the children born of male-female sexual acts.
Oh? Says who? It may be a purpose of marriage for couples who choose to procreate or adopt, but that doesn’t necessarily make it the primary purpose. Since your entire column is based on this premise, your entire column is suspect.
Marriage channels men’s and women’s sexual attraction into productive ends…
Only if men and women are attracted to each other to begin with. Sorry, but I just do not find women sexually attractive. Never have, never will. It would be impossible for me to have sex with a woman unless some kind of drug were involved – and in that case, it would be rape (the woman raping me, because I would never consent to heterosexual sex).
…and harnesses the male sex drive by binding men to the mothers of their children.
Why am I not surprised that you would talk about “harnessing” men or their sex drives and “binding” them? Sounds kind of kinky, Katherine!
The evidence is overwhelming: Boys and girls flourish best with a married mother and father, who perform different and complementary roles in preparing them to deal with the world and the opposite sex.
Care to cite your sources? There is a large body of research showing that children raised by same-sex couples are just as healthy as those raised by opposite-sex couples. Furthermore, studies I have seen show that children raised by same-sex couples tend to be more open-minded and think more critically than children raised by opposite-sex couples.
No child is raised in a vacuum. All children, regardless of who is raising them, have a wide variety of role models of both genders.
Same-sex marriage would not — as advocates claim — merely extend the benefits of marriage to more people. It would gut marriage of its fundamental meaning and transform it from an institution centered on children and the mother/father nuclear family to one centered on adults.
But marriage is an institution centered on adults! Only adults can legally consent to marriage. Many opposite-sex married couples neither produce nor adopt children; these marriages have no children on which to center! And many same-sex couples are raising children.
Marriage would become an artificial institution, bestowing state approval on any adult relationship based on affection and interdependence.
But not even that is necessary for an opposite-sex couple to marry. Any opposite-sex couple can marry as long as they are not blood relatives of too close a degree. The state doesn’t ask any questions about why a couple is marrying; the license is granted as long as the very minimal state requirements are met.
Such a redefinition would compel us to repudiate time-honored ideas of social organization
At the very least they would be reexamined. Why is that a bad thing?
Courts are also beginning to upend our ideas about parenthood — jettisoning biological ties…
Excuse me, but when adopting, all biological ties are jettisoned almost all the time.
…recognizing “psychological” parents and including three-parent arrangements, with unpredictable results.
Because of divorce – funny how that word appears only once in your column – there are tens of thousands of three- and four-parent arrangements (sometimes the numbers are higher!). That has little to do with same-sex couples or same-sex marriage.
Same-sex marriage may not change the lives of John and Mary.
It won’t change the lives of anyone other than those of same-sex couples who choose to marry. Just like your marriage doesn’t change anything about my life.
But their children and grandchildren will bear the brunt of this cultural revolution. Today, only 59 percent of children live with their married biological or adoptive mother and father — a result of divorce, cohabitation and rising out-of-wedlock births.
Which have nothing to do with same-sex couples!
If same-sex marriage prevails, the marriage culture is likely to erode further.
That depends on what you view as “erosion.” My view is that same-sex couples will strengthen the institution of marriage. Why? Because we have lived for years without the benefits of marriage. We’re already 100% devoted to our unions. We obviously don’t need government recognition of our unions for the stability we’ve already obtained. I’ve been with my husband for over twenty years. Ours is a stable, monogamous relationship. There are tens of thousands of same-sex couples like us across the country. Our entry into your institution of marriage would help stabilize it and perhaps help prevent the complete collapse toward which heterosexuals seem to be heading!
In European countries and American states where same-sex marriage is legal, the proportion of gays choosing to marry is well below that of the heterosexual population.
So what? If there were a similar statistic about opposite-sex black couples, would that be an argument to keep them from marriage? You’ll regret your argument if you see a decline in the number of opposite-sex couples choosing marriage.
In America, about two-thirds of gay couples who seek legal recognition are lesbians.
Again, so what? Why is this an argument against same-sex marriage?
The larger society does not expect or pressure gay people to marry
Not so much anymore, but not so long ago there certainly was an expectation that gay people would marry. The expectation was that they would marry persons of the opposite sex!
It sounds like you believe that society has finally realized that no one is better off when a gay person enters an opposite-sex marriage. Yet there is still enough homophobia in this country that many young gay people do feel pressured to conform and meet the expectations of their parents, religious institutions and communities. Expectations based on gender are imposed from the day the sex of a baby is known, and those expectations almost always include that the baby will grow up, marry someone of the opposite sex and reproduce with that person.
More and more people are becoming aware of the heartache and problems that are caused by gay people entering opposite-sex marriages. Fortunately the phenomenon seems to be decreasing, but it still exists. Wouldn’t we all be better off if we encouraged gay men and lesbians to be honest about who they are? Why on earth would any parent encourage a gay son or daughter to marry someone of the opposite sex? Would they want their straight children to marry a gay man or lesbian? Wouldn’t encouraging gay men and lesbians to enter same-sex marriage would many heterosexuals the pain of enduring a spouse’s coming out?
As social norms that have encouraged men and women to take on the hard work of raising a family unravel, heterosexual couples are less likely to see marriage as important or relevant.
You can’t blame same-sex marriage for this, Katherine. You straight people have to take all the blame. From Brittany Spears-like marriages to divorce, you straight people have already done a number on your institution of marriage. It’s not the fault of same-sex couples that heterosexuals have made a mockery of the institution of “traditional marriage.” Why not? Because same-sex couples haven’t been allowed to marry! The social norms are unraveling because heterosexual couples are letting them!
If marriage is primarily about children, some ask, what about infertile and older couples? If infertile male-female couples do adopt or have a child, that child will have a mother and father.
And if they don’t adopt or have a child, your entire argument falls flat.
The human body’s design makes clear that men and women — whatever their age — are naturally directed toward each other and complement one another.
First, wouldn’t the human body’s design make that clear whether or not people marry?
Second, it’s been said that the most important sexual organ is the brain. There’s nothing about the brain that is apparent in the design of the human body.
Third, gay men and lesbians are just as naturally directed toward members of their own genders as heterosexuals are directed toward members of the opposite gender.
If same sex-marriage prevails, we are likely to see further attempts to “expand” marriage.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe these attempts will happen even if same-sex marriage is never allowed.
Once marriage is stripped of its organic purpose, why restrict it to two people?
Because laws would have to be completely overhauled to accommodate anything but two-person unions. The existing legal framework just won’t work for polygamous, polyandrous or group unions.
All will want society to recognize and respect their relationships.
Of course they will. Just like you want society to recognize and respect yours. Why is this so horrible?
And why should marriage be open only to people with a sexual relationship?
As if it were now. There is no law requiring that a married couple be sexually active. Sex is not a legal requirement of marriage, and marriage is not a legal prerequisite of sex.
Some of the most influential proponents of same-sex marriage seek to “get the state out of the marriage business” altogether.
It’s one of three options to make things fair for all couples. The only fair options are civil marriage for all couples, civil unions for all couples, or no government recognition whatsoever for any couple.
Many of those urging us to transform humankind’s fundamental social institution are the very people who preach about such risks in the environmental context and warn that the actions of individuals affect the well-being of all. The natural world, they say, can stretch only so far before breaking as we tinker with the realities of its systems.
Well, Katherine, gay men and lesbians are as much a part of the natural world as are heterosexuals. It is as unnatural for us to engage in heterosexual acts as it would be for you to engage in lesbian acts. Government accommodation of this reality of nature will change nothing for any heterosexual person or opposite-sex couple.
We understand little about how marriage has undergirded the order and prosperity we take for granted.
If you understand it so little, how can you make any of your claims? Perhaps you should study the issue further and gain a better understanding before you spout off to the world.
The issue is one of fairness. Gay men and lesbians support their communities and their governments by paying taxes just like everyone else does. Some of those taxes go to fund benefits from which gay men and lesbians are excluded by virtue of being legally single. Why should I help fund the (admittedly paltry) death benefit Social Security pays your husband upon your death, Katherine, when my husband will receive nothing upon my death? The only way to get that benefit (and most of the other legal and financial benefits marriage bestows) is to be in a government-recognized marriage.
Why should I have to spend hundreds of dollars to draw up a medical power of attorney when you can spend, what, $60(?) to purchase a marriage license that gives you and your husband that power (and so much more)? Why should I have to testify against my husband in court when you’ll never have to? Why can you form a sole proprietorship with your husband, but I can’t with mine? Why does your husband automatically inherit your estate if you die intestate, but my husband doesn’t get a dime if I die intestate? I could go on and on – and note that these benefits have nothing to do with having children. We want these legal and financial protections for the people we love, Katherine, and the only way to get most of them is to be in a government-recognized marriage.
Unfortunately for you, Katherine, marriage has grown way beyond reproduction and rearing children. It’s entangled with over 1,300 legal and financial rights, benefits and privileges. If it weren’t for those rights, benefits and privileges, most same-sex couples probably wouldn’t care about marriage. After all, you can have a monogamous life-long relationship without marriage. But you can’t get those marriage benefits if the government doesn’t recognize your relationship. That’s why we’re fighting so hard for marriage. And we won’t give up until we get marriage. Even if it takes 1,000 years.
“You will be on Monday if it passes.”
Nah, I don’t think it will look the same if and when it gets signed.
Something does need to be done. I recognize it first hand. The costs are ridiculous and part of that is pure greed along with the cost of operating a hospital.
There are people who have no insurance and there are others who lose everything because they are uninsured … and that’s just nutz for this country.
If we could get all the children to start being adults and push our media to be accountable maybe we’d have a chance, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Looks like the soci@lists in the House got it passed. They will pay dearly for this in 2010, but it looks like the permanent damage to this country is well on it’s way.
Nah, I don’t think it will look the same if and when it gets signed.
Of course it won’t. It’ll be worse.
Congrats, Katherine. You’re being bashed to smithereens in the opinion section. Just read the nearly 100 comments there, and I’d say 90% of them disagree with you. You’ve sunk to a new low with this column….
EBF, that only proves that 100 people disagree with her and those care enough to write in or the Strip decides to post. The 1% of gays are very vocal, naturally. You need to keep your comments shorter, no one wants to read the equilavent of the health care bill, use bulletins!
EBF, that only proves that 100 people disagree with her and those care enough to write in or the Strip decides to post. The 1% of gays are very vocal, naturally. You need to keep your comments shorter, no one wants to read the equilavent of the health care bill, use bulletins!
EBF, that only proves that 100 people disagree with her and those care enough to write in or the Strip decides to post. The 1% of gays are very vocal, naturally. You need to keep your comments shorter, no one wants to read the equilavent of the health care bill, use bulletins!
What’s with the triple posts?
The liberals are very pleased with themselves. They don’t care about our health, and they certainly won’t be on the plan will they? Their goal is to have another large government run entitlement that the masses will get dependent on, then use the fear of losing that entitlement if we don’t keep them in office. It’s all about them, not about us at all.
i think we’ll just start to see more exmaples of people really snapping( unlike cold calculated actions in an attempt to uphold ones core religious tennents).
the american people havent been as brainwashed and beaten down as our european friends. i can see people , at the point of a gun demanding health care for their families or themselves if critical medical care is denied or scheduled too far in advance to actually do any good.
i dont know if all the horror stories about what happens to folks seeking care in countries that have socialized medicine, the months and years wait time for operations, chemo or whatever, or whether its just cherry picking. im inclined to believe if the government is running it, those stories are more common than any government official or far left religiously regressive would ever admit.
i dont think a segment of american people will stand for it. and i think some will be quite aggressive about it.
“Napolitano said her agency is working with state and local groups to try to deflect any anti-Muslim anger after the Thursday attacks by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The shootings left 13 people dead and 29 wounded.
“This was an individual who does not, obviously, represent the Muslim faith,” she said after meeting with a group of women university students.”
no of course not, he represents the tooth fairy and mickey mouse.
““This was an individual who does not, obviously, represent the Muslim faith,” no of course not, he represents the tooth fairy and mickey mouse.”
Good one. I wonder when we will finally get it that while we might not be at war wish Islam, Islam certainly is at war with us?
“Congrats, Katherine. You’re being bashed to smithereens in the opinion section.”
The lib’s must be on the warpath again. Keep up the great work Katherine.
Evil, my ELCA church is voting this morning on whether or not to pull out of that organization since they decided to abandon Biblical teachings and endorse homosexual marriage. I’ll be voting later this morning and I’ll let you know how it turns out.
Greg, this morning former democrat party Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Leiberman called the Jihad in Ft. Hood an Islamic Terror Attack. Is he an extremist too? I think people are getting tired of you calling everyone you don’t agree with “extremist”, while you’re one of the biggest extremists on this blog.
“Islam certainly is at war with us?”
No question about that, and we’re allowing them to get away with it. Financially rewarding the Flying Imam’s for the stunt they pulled is just one of thousands of examples.
My church took a vote and we don’t care if homosexual couples get married ..
We also realize that it won’t affect our kids since it’s reality and it’s okay if they know the truth. We don’t think that this will make kids who are heterosexual turn homosexual.
Our church knows that if you’re a parent you should talk to your children about everything .. even if it’s uncomfortable.
And finally, we get the idea that a marriage is between you, your spouse and in some instances a higher power.
It doesn’t belong to anyone else.
You need to keep your comments shorter, no one wants to read the equilavent of the health care bill, use bulletins!
Do you mean bullet points?
If the length of my posts intimidiates you, don’t read them. I did break up the long one into paragraphs that were mostly short. Bullet points wouldn’t have curtailed the length. I could have made each point in its own post, but that’s a lot more work.
“I think people are getting tired of you calling everyone you don’t agree with “extremist”, while you’re one of the biggest extremists on this blog. ”
D2, you don’t think.
Next, Lieberman is taking an extremist view by spouting out his pie hole without knowing all the information.
Next, the only person I call an extremist on this blog is you .. which I’m quite confident most people agree with.
Lastly, if anyone disagrees with you or questions your motives and posts they are immediately called a liberal .. this is fact. It’s been shown time and time again that you’ll lie and distort the truth in order to convince people to be sympathetic to you and that is ..
extremism.
Evil, my ELCA church is voting this morning on whether or not to pull out of that organization since they decided to abandon Biblical teachings and endorse homosexual marriage. I’ll be voting later this morning and I’ll let you know how it turns out.
d2, most of the time, including this time, I really don’t care what your church does because it doesn’t affect me in any way.
no of course not, he represents the tooth fairy and mickey mouse.
So this one man represents all Muslims? Did Timothy McVeigh represent all Christians?
Greg, this morning former democrat party Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Leiberman called the Jihad in Ft. Hood an Islamic Terror Attack.
One person who happens to be Muslim kills thirteen people, and it’s an “Islamic Terror Attack” (I love the proper noun status!).
One person who happens to be Christian blows up a building in Oklahoma City, killing 169 people, but we don’t hear about how that is a “Christian Terror Attack.” I wonder why….
EBF ..
I can’t read the entire post or the damn blender goes on high.
I’m pretty sure it was probably a good read though ..
you come across as an honest person that will admit when you might have gone overboard.
I think people are getting tired of you calling everyone you don’t agree with “extremist”, while you’re one of the biggest extremists on this blog.
Greg is pretty moderate and very reasonable. His views are not extreme in any way. But to an extremist like d2, the middle looks awfully far away.
“My church took a vote and we don’t care if homosexual couples get married ..”
Go figure….
you come across as an honest person that will admit when you might have gone overboard.
Thanks, Greg. It was a very long post, probably my longest yet, which is why I tried to break it up. The only one who really needs to read the whole thing is Katherine.
“I really don’t care what your church does because it doesn’t affect me in any way.”
I’ll still let you know anyway if you don’t mind.
[I]f anyone disagrees with you or questions your motives and posts they are immediately called a liberal.
And when pressed for proof of his claims, d2 deflects, avoids, and tries to change the subject to one of his many bug-up-his-butt issues. We have seen no evidence for any of his outlandish claims because there is none. If there were, we certainly would have seen it by now.
“Greg is pretty moderate and very reasonable. His views are not extreme in any way. But to an extremist like d2, the middle looks awfully far away.”
Get a room you two!
Evil, you and Greg have about the same extreme liberal points of few, so of course you wouldn’t view each other as extremists.
I’ll still let you know anyway if you don’t mind.
Sure, d2, let us know. Although I can already guess what the outcome will be. Enjoy your new church, d2.
“We have seen no evidence for any of his outlandish claims”
Such as?
“Enjoy your new church, d2.”
Thanks Evil. Hopefully nothing will change except for our ties to the new “liberal” ELCA.
Evil, you and Greg have about the same extreme liberal points of few, so of course you wouldn’t view each other as extremists.
Greg is closer to the center than I am. I’m a proud social liberal and fiscal moderate with a strong libertarian streak.
You, d2, are so far to the right that the center seems to be the left, and the left seems to be the next galaxy. You can’t differentiate between the center and the left because from your vantagepoint, they are one and the same. Kind of like how Venus and Jupiter can appear in the same part of the sky when they are lined up a certain way with Earth.
Off to the polls!
“Evil, you and Greg have about the same extreme liberal points of few, so of course you wouldn’t view each other as extremists. ”
I really doubt that’s true.
Just a guess, but we could begin with religion, followed by gun control, and potentially some fiscal ideas. But fortunately, we can discuss those differences and understand the other persons point-of-view. EBF can do that with many people .. except for you D2, and that’s pretty much the story with most people on this blog.
You just don’t understand what being a reasonable person is D2 and my guess is that you never have.
Such as?
Exactly, d2. I can’t give examples of evidence that doesn’t exist….
“Such as?”
Michelle Bachman is NOT a wack job.
“We have seen no evidence for any of his outlandish claims”
What outlandish claims Evil, that the masscre in Ft. Hood was done in the name of Islam?
Later….
“Such as?”
That you’re a real human and not a virtual entity.
and ..
there are multiple questions from the previous blog you haven’t answered…
why is that?
It’s angry now. I bet he pushes down real hard with that pencil when he votes .. probably breaks the lead as he ponders ..
“I’ll get them .. I’ll get them all!!!!”
I wonder what D2 will do if the vote doesn’t go his way?
Ya know, it might have been fun to recruit a whole bunch of folks to join D2’s church this week that would vote in a way he wouldn’t like.
Especially if they were not caucasian .. and not hetero ..
I gotta stop thinking like that.
But it would be funny.
Ya know, it might have been fun to recruit a whole bunch of folks to join D2’s church this week that would vote in a way he wouldn’t like.
It’s likely that only church members will get to vote. But it would be fun to see the look on their faces were a large group of Spanish speakers to show up at d2’s church!
“It’s likely that only church members will get to vote.”
That is true Evil.
“But it would be fun to see the look on their faces were a large group of Spanish speakers to show up at d2’s church!”
They are more likely to find a Catholic Church evil.
Ya know, it might have been fun to recruit a whole bunch of folks to join D2’s church this week that would vote in a way he wouldn’t like.
Sure a liberal like you Greg would approve of that type of infiltration. That’s how the problem started in the first place.
“It’s likely that only church members will get to vote.”
Unlike the Coleman/Franken race, this one would be hard for ACORN to manipulate.
“Sure a liberal like you Greg would approve of that type of infiltration.”
Only to watch you go bonkers .. err ..
more bonkers.
“That’s how the problem started in the first place. ”
How’s that? I don’t know what church you go to and other than joking around really don’t want to ..
So D2, how long do you think it will be till they have the poll results?
“How’s that?”
The vast majority of Lutheran’s believe the Bible when it says homosexual behavior is a sin, but somehow the ELCA leaders who voted on this in Minneapolis seem to be liberal infiltrators. They certainly don’t speak for the people.
“So D2, how long do you think it will be till they have the poll results?”
Not sure. There is one more vote at about noon, I’m hoping we get an e-mail later today.
we in the thml community have decided to weigh in on a very important issue to our family , exactly 50% of us have decided to demand the legislature promote a bill guarenteeing us the biological right to bear children.
“They certainly don’t speak for the people.”
How do you know?
“we in the thml community …”
I have no idea what you mean but I’m laughing since I think it has something to do with lesbians trapped in mens bodies.
“Not sure. There is one more vote at about noon, I’m hoping we get an e-mail later today. ”
Just promise us you won’t do anything extreme if the vote doesn’t go as you’d planned ..
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HAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
“I have no idea what you mean ”
thml = transgendered hetero male lesbian
“Just promise us you won’t do anything extreme if the vote doesn’t go as you’d planned ..”
I’m leaving the Liberal ELCA one way or another. Does that count as extreme?
“I’m leaving the Liberal ELCA one way or another. Does that count as extreme? ”
Just because they’re doing one small thing you don’t like doesn’t mean they’re all bad does it?
I think it’s pretty extreme if it’s something you’ve enjoyed all your life D2.
” You’ve sunk to a new low with this column….”
What are you talking about, EBF? Everything in today’s column is something she’s said before. I bet she copy-pasted most of it from her previous posts.
I’m going to write Nancy Barnes and advise her to renegotiate Katherine’s pay so that she only gets a check for her weekly if she says something she hasn’t already said. This is worse than reading Peanuts.
“Just because they’re doing one small thing….”
Going against the Bible and endorsing homosexual marriage is NOT a small thing.
By the way, the vote was 77% to 23% in favor of leaving the ELCA. This is very good news!
D2, you don’t think.
Greg’s wife was clearly doing the thinking and typing earlier today. Hi Greg’s wife.
They are more likely to find a Catholic Church
You make it sound like us Catholics are suffering because Spanish speaking people are joining our church.
Just because they’re doing one small thing you don’t like doesn’t mean they’re all bad does it?
Nothing wrong with leaving a church you no longer agree with. Would you criticize someone for leaving a church because they didn’t allow gay marriage? It’s all preference and beliefs.
I mean, Charles Schultz is dead. What’s your excuse for recycling your material, Katherine?
What’s the Strib’s excuse for continuing to print this SOS?
and 10 being Ronald Reagan,
Reagan raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office. If he were to rise from the grave and run for election today he’d be primaried by the Teabaggers and derided as a RINO.
“You make it sound like us Catholics are suffering because Spanish speaking people are joining our church.”
My point was that Hispanics are much more likely to be Catholic than Lutheran. There aren’t many Lutheran Churches south of the border.
“Nothing wrong with leaving a church you no longer agree with.”
Agreed, especially when they start doing the opposite of what the Bible teaches us.
“Nothing wrong with leaving a church you no longer agree with. Would you criticize someone for leaving a church because they didn’t allow gay marriage? It’s all preference and beliefs. ”
I’d suppose. I guess I just don’t see it as that big of a deal like some seem to.
“Would you criticize someone for leaving a church because they didn’t allow gay marriage?”
Not if they were gay ..
Your Sunday op-ed piece was one of the most hateful, heinous pieces of trash I’ve every read. You may call yourselves christians, but there’s a better word for you - bigoted homophobes. Very disappointing but not all that unexpected….
Lamplightgay, what is hateful about wanting to preserve traditional marriage?
I agree that there are more important issues to deal with than gay marriage, such as the democrat soci@list party’s vote for soci@list medicine, and Obama’s disturbing 10.2% and climbing unemployement rate.
My wife is an accountant at a smaller sized business, and she is worried about the damage this bill will do to businesses like hers if passed. They had a layoff a few months ago and can just barely get by without additional cuts, but ObamaCare as it’s written will really hurt her company financially and more cuts be on the way if this piece of liberal crap bill gets passed.
Lamplightgay, what is hateful about wanting to preserve traditional marriage?
Your definition of “traditional” marriage is only 50 years old.
“Your definition of “traditional” marriage is only 50 years old.”
Excuse me D.T.! I thought marriage has always been between a MAN and a WOMAN ONLY!.
“Obama Snubs Berlin Wall Ceremonies”
I’m sure Comrade Obama is still pissed off about Reagan bringing down the Berlin Wall.
I just read Ms Katherine’s article. Classic Katherine. I laughed so hard.
“channels men’s and women’s sexual attraction…..harnesses the male sex drive….binding men….”
Nothing today about men being “sacrificed” though. Oh well, perhaps next time we can return to that favorite theme.
For religious reasons, I don’t know if I’m quite there, but after reading Ms Katherine today, it certainly moves me a bit closer to sharing Mr Fauvel’s perspective.
Ms Katherine wants men harnessed, bound and sacrificed. That is frightening. Mr Fauvel just want equality under the law. That’s nothing scary at all.
I was just on the Strib website and noticed that Katherine’s column no longer links to Think Again, but to the same thing thing BQ went to which filters and bans conservative thought.
Those Bastards! I think I’ll cancel my subscription.
Ms Katherine wants men harnessed, bound and sacrificed. That is frightening.
I think she’s taking the “live like Jesus” thing a little too far.
“Mr Fauvel just want equality under the law. That’s nothing scary at all. ”
Nope.
It has nothing to do with religion and shouldn’t.
“I was just on the Strib website and noticed that Katherine’s column no longer links to Think Again, but to the same thing thing BQ went to which filters and bans conservative thought”
You should read the terms of use for online comment. might be enlightening…
Terms of Use
Online conduct
1.Members shall not provide any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.
Well, d2, that disqualifies you right out of the gate.
“Ms Katherine wants men harnessed, bound”
mmm, sounds pretty good so far ….
not that I would enjoy being bound of course ……..
harnessed, on the other hand ……
must be my lesbian side
“1.Members shall not provide any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.”
I said “Banking Queen Barney Frank” and got banned for life for it. If people can get banned for that while others are making disgusting comments about Michele Bachmann and getting away with it, something is wrong.
It seems that the Star Democrat Tribune has started it’s own version of the leftist “Fairness Doctrine”.
Excuse me D.T.! I thought marriage has always been between a MAN and a WOMAN ONLY!.
No, marriage used to “always” be between a man and as many women as he could afford, and then it was “always” between a white man and a white woman, and then after white men could no longer own black men and women, marriage was extended to a black man and a black woman. It was only 50 years ago that marriage was extended to interracial couples. So now 48% of the people want it extended to any two people who love each other and want the state to recognize the legal commitment between them. It’s actually 85% if you look at those under 30 years old.
Enjoy your exclusivity while it lasts.
“.Members shall not provide any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.”
well they certainly sound like objective terms monty. nothing like in the eye of the liberal regressive beholder there
“1.Members shall not provide any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.”
You’re so screwed.
“marriage was extended to a black man and a black woman”
Excuse me again, but were does the Bible say that is a sin, like homosexual behavior?
I said “Banking Queen Barney Frank” and got banned for life for it.
You sure about that? Every other post you make violates the “false, misleading or inaccurate” terms.
“You sure about that? Every other post you make violates the “false, misleading or inaccurate” terms.”
It is intersteing how the liberal screeners at the Strib allow liberals to spew any type of trash towards Michele Bachmann, but say something about Barney Frank and they treat it as a hate crime.
The Democrat party has voted to fine people for having no health insurance. To be collected by the IRS.
Maybe in a few years those limousine liberals in congress can take a “poverty tour” to see all the carnage they did to the working poor.
“Those Bastards! I think I’ll cancel my subscription. ”
It’s all your fault anyway D2…
“must be my lesbian side
”
Agreed.
Rural areas are full of poor working people who have no insurance.
Perhaps I will return to my roots and foment rebellion and lead an insurrection.
What else do I have to do?
“It is intersteing how the liberal screeners at the Strib allow liberals to spew any type of trash towards Michele Bachmann, but say something about Barney Frank and they treat it as a hate crime. ”
Barney Frank is fat.
Michele Bachmann is a nutcase.
Fair and balanced.
“Perhaps I will return to my roots and foment rebellion and lead an insurrection.
What else do I have to do? ”
I have an old hunting shed you can start from .. and a generator.
“No, marriage used to “always” be between a man and as many women as he could afford, and then it was “always” between a white man and a white woman, and then after white men could no longer own black men and women”
i guess theyre right dan, marriage sure has gone down the drain. aahh the good old days.
You should read the terms of use for online comment.
There’s that pesky “read” word that the Dtroll has such problems with.
“You sure about that? Every other post you make violates the “false, misleading or inaccurate” terms. ”
If you look closely it’s about 1 in every 23 posts he makes that have any truth.
Off?
“Michele Bachmann is a nutcase.”
She was right about ACORN and soci@list medicine Greg.
“If you look closely it’s about 1 in every 23 posts he makes that have any truth.”
And your proof is?
I am heading to the sticks to urge people to defend the Republic. Here is my message to my patriotic friends in rural America:
THE REPUBLIC IS UNDER ATTACK!
WE ARE BEING ATTACKED!
OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY ARE ATTACKING!
SAVE THE REPUBLIC!
THE REDCOATS ARE COMING, YOU STUPID HICKS!
THE REDCOATS ARE COMING!
If you look closely it’s about 1 in every 23 posts he makes that have any truth.
You’re awfully generous.
“And your proof is? ”
Your website and that you’re just not very bright.
THE REDCOATS ARE COMING!
Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
If the troll is right and this is the end I say we opt for lileks .. he hardly writes anything so they’ll never see us.
HAAAA!!!
Leland8 … you crack me up.
I knew you weren’t capable of providing an answer Greg.
“I say we opt for lileks”
Sounds good. Could you send the link for everyone Greg?
“I knew you weren’t capable of providing an answer Greg. ”
I answered.
your website is not accurate at all. it only provides opinion and no fact .. and what you present as fact is typically lies.
and ..
you make statements without any facts to back them up ..
and are continually caught.
But you’d rather deny it.
“I have an old hunting shed you can start from .. and a generator.”
I need a fortified bunker.
The Democrat party will be sending out squadrons to round up the working poor and put them in prison camps for non-compliance. The house of representatives has voted. That vote has put me over the edge.
IT’S WAR!!!! WAR!!!!
Save the Republic from the attacking Democrat.
“you make statements without any facts to back them up ..”
Such as?
“well they certainly sound like objective terms monty. nothing like in the eye of the liberal regressive beholder there”
Seems pretty straightforward to me, stevek. What is it with neocons and their aversion to factual content? Disinformation becomes a way of life, I guess….
Seriously though, I have no problem with expressing ones opinion. We’re all entitled to ‘em, even d2. And I’m not here to defend the stribs policies. It’s funny though. You guys on the right see the “Red Star”, and I’ll agree, the strib used to lean ‘way over to the left. Note the words “used to”. Not nearly so much anymore, however. An old liberal douchebag like me sees the strib as going blue in many ways, and I’ve been reading this paper for a long, long time. Depends on your perspective I guess.
“It is intersteing how the liberal screeners at the Strib allow liberals to spew any type of trash towards Michele Bachmann”
Actually, Michille does a great job of set the ball up, so to speak, for anyone with half a brain to spike. She is, by far, her own worst enemy.
Excuse me again, but were does the Bible say that is a sin, like homosexual behavior?
You were talking about “traditional” marriage as if there was such a thing. Now you’re talking about Biblical marriage, which I think allowed for multiple wives.
But our constitution dictates that we live in a secular society, and as such we’re talking about secular marriage. What you want is laws based on (your) Biblical interpretation, and that’s called a theocracy. That’s what the Muslims are fighting to protect. Is that who you really want to emulate?
Oooops. Make that ” sees the strib as going red in many ways”.
Freudian slip.
“Such as? ”
The shooter at Ft. Hood was an islamic terrorist.
And many more ..
are you saying you never lie?
Let’s ask ..
Does D2 tend to lie?
I think I must settle down.
I need some strong herbal tea and some aroma therapy.
The situation is hopeless. I must accept the fact that I will soon have to pay a fine/tax on top of all my other burdens. If I can’t come up with the loot, the Democrats will just have to throw me in the dungeon.
I am too old to lead an insurrection. I am surrendering to Obama.
“I need a fortified bunker. ”
Okay .. you can use the skid loader.
“She is, by far, her own worst enemy.”
And liberal nutjob Barney Frank isn’t? You know, they guy who’s boyfriend ran a gay whore house from their apartmentment. How sick is that?
Please consider everything I have said to be a sub-conversation within the main conversation. I am having this sub-conversation with myself. I am not trying to interrupt the main conversation. Thank you for your indulgence.
“The shooter at Ft. Hood was an islamic terrorist.”
Yes, this is true. What else have ya got?
D2 .. you continually announce that Obama is a soci@list ..
what valid proof do you have of this?
Now remember, you need proof .. not opinion.
“I need some strong herbal tea and some aroma therapy.”
Have a bagel and a beer Leland, that will perk you up.
“What you want is laws based on (your) Biblical interpretation, and that’s called a theocracy. That’s what the Muslims are fighting to protect.”
So, d2, what’s it like to be in bed with the Taliban, philosophically speaking?
“Yes, this is true. What else have ya got? ”
Where’s the proof?
“D2 .. you continually announce that Obama is a soci@list ..
what valid proof do you have of this?”
Why Obama’s soci@lism matters:
www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_soci@lism_matters_1.html
Fix the link Greg!
“D2 .. you continually announce that Obama is a soci@list ..
what valid proof do you have of this?”
Why Obama’s soci@lism matters:
www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/why_obamas_soci@lism_matters_1.html
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Sorry about the duplicate post. I though it was misbehaving.
Goodnight all! I’ll beat from splitting wood.
That’s opinion D2 ..
why don’t you just admit you have no proof.
Mr dare2, Bagels and a beer would be too much carbohydrate and worst of all starch from the dough.
I haven’t been feeling good. I need some aroma therapy. I don’t know what kind, but lately I have been feeling very queer.
“Goodnight all! I’ll beat from splitting wood. ”
And we all know what that really means …
Hasan Linked to Sept. 11 Hijackers:
www.newsmax.com/insidecover/hasan_fort_hood_sept_11/2009/11/08/283376.html?s=al&promo_code=905A-1
I don’t mean queer as in queer. I mean queer as in queer.
Yes, this is true. What else have ya got?
There was the time a couple of days ago when you were asked to prove the “Death Panel” thing and gave a false page in the bill. When caught you tried to pass it off as a joke.
Maybe that’s your excuse for all of of your postings. They’re all a joke.
“And we all know what that really means”
Sorry about the type-o.
“I’ll beat from splitting wood.”
Now if that isn’t the damn kinkiest thing I’ve ever heard him say.
“I don’t mean queer as in queer. I mean queer as in queer.”
Sorry to hear about you feeling queer Leland. You should check with the expert Greg on this, I’m sure he can help you out.
Goodnight all!
I haven’t been feeling good. I need some aroma therapy.
I’m about to head out to the garage for some “aroma” therapy.
Goodnight Mr dare2
If splitting wood gives you a woody, don’t worry about it. It’s still a free country. Whatever does it for you, man.
“There was the time a couple of days ago when you were asked to prove the “Death Panel” thing”
Downtown Dem, a healthcare system run by liberal government beurocrats means rationing, which also means death panels (or maybe a nicer word for it). Why can’t you comprehend that?
Hasan Linked to Sept. 11 Hijackers:
www.newsmax……
Newsmax? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It’s one step below the National Enquirer. It’s not even opinion, it’s parody for those too stupid to know they’re being played for fools.
“If splitting wood gives you a woody, don’t worry about it. It’s still a free country. Whatever does it for you, man.”
I’m pretty sure everything does…
if you haven’t noticed ..
he has a crush on me..
which is very unpleasent for a lesbian trapped in a mans body.
They showed Hasan the Queen of Diamonds.
I’m on to those bastards.
What is it with neocons and their aversion to factual content? Disinformation becomes a way of life,
What makes you think it’s exclusives to neocons? Your own biases?
“What makes you think it’s exclusives to neocons? ”
No sh!t ..
“If splitting wood gives you a woody,
I just had a really bad mental picture.
Time for more “aroma” therapy.
“I just had a really bad mental picture.
Time for more “aroma” therapy. ”
Fortunately, my short term memory isn’t working too well ..
Newsmax? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
This from the Mother Jones guy.
When Goldberg first wrote “Bias” he merely identified that reporters unconsciously injected their own personal biases into story’s.
It wasn’t purposeful or for commercial or political gain.
That’s not the case anymore.
What makes you think it’s exclusives to neocons?
It may not be exclusive to neocons, but they’re perfecting it.
This from the Mother Jones guy.
Reality has a well know liberal bias.
And bias and misinformation in Newsmax isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.
“Reality has a well know(n) liberal bias.”
I always loved that one.
One of the greatest Oxymoron’s of all time.
“Reality has a well know liberal bias.”
Your problem Dan is you believe this. Mother Jones? Mother Goose maybe.
I wont waste anytime on Newsmax.
So you’d rather have your boyfriend get his sex change operation before a 70 year old gets his hip replacement?
You’ll go to any means just to save your your boyfriend Jose won’t you D2.
dare2sayit.com says:
November 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
You sure get things twisted around, don’t you Liberal Greg!
Yes, Greg has it all twisted.
There’s no way D2 would ever want his Hispanic boyfriend to give up his penis.
So you’d rather have your boyfriend get his sex change operation before a 70 year old gets his hip replacement?
You’ll go to any means just to save your your boyfriend Jose won’t you D2.
dare2sayit.com says:
November 7th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
You sure get things twisted around, don’t you Liberal Greg!
Yes, Greg has it all twisted.
There’s no way D2 would ever want his Hispanic boyfriend to have his peenie removed.
I always loved that one.
We in the biz simply say “IALTO”. Popular KFAN bit…
There’s no way D2 would ever want his Hispanic boyfriend to have his peenie removed.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Cheap shot of the day!! IALTO!!
“.Members shall not provide any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.”
Fine, it’s not really 12.5 inches.
Friggin satisfied?
““.Members shall not provide any information that is false, misleading or inaccurate.”
And D2 really doesn’t want his hispanic boyfriends peenie removed.
“One person who happens to be Christian blows up a building in Oklahoma City, killing 169 people, but we don’t hear about how that is a “Christian Terror Attack.” I wonder why….”
Probably because he didn’t run in screaming “Jesus is great”! You really think you can compare Christians to these people? No other religion sends their young and mentally ill to blow themselves up in the name of their god. But then, since most Christians are against gay marriage I suppose you think that’s just as bad in your world.
“Today, only 59 percent of children live with their married biological or adoptive mother and father — a result of divorce, cohabitation and rising out-of-wedlock births. If same-sex marriage prevails, the marriage culture is likely to erode further.”
Two questions came from this quotation:
Where is the article bemoaning the destruction of marriage from these social ills?
What, pray, is the marriage culture? Bridezillas and the pagentry surrounding marriages? Certainly, it has its own language, ethos, and rules.
“Thursday’s rampage by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Why in the world is this the lead in all stories about this shooting. Its BS.
“Why in the world is this the lead in all stories about this shooting. Its BS. ”
give me liberal regressive journalists for $300, alex
I’ll take jumping to conclusions for $500, Alex.
i’ll take liberal repressive apologists always bite for $1000, alex
I’ll take a taco, please.
[…] The perilous, slippery slope of gay marriage […]
The man accused of shooting a Kansas abortion provider has confessed to the killing to The Associated Press, saying he has no regrets.
In a telephone call from jail Monday, Scott Roeder told the AP: “Because of the fact pre-born children’s lives were in imminent danger, this was the action I chose.”
Is there a way we can have Mr. Roeder battle Maj. Hasan to finally decide who’s religion is better?
Alex, I’m gonna swtch catagories and go with whiney transgendered hetero male lesbians should stop thinking with their glands for $100.
Alex, I’m gonna switch catagories and go with whiney transgendered hetero male lesbians should stop thinking with their glands for $100.
YES!! The Daily Double!
“Is there a way we can have Mr. Roeder battle Maj. Hasan to finally decide who’s religion is better? ”
Pistols at dawn, winner gets the firing squad?
Correct me if I’m wrong but the firing squad is reserved for “honorable” military execution. This guy gets the rope.
And why do the Fruitcakes keep bringing up McVeigh. McVeigh main motivation wasn’t religion as I remember.
But hey why not rewrite it right next to where it says the Holocausts was a christian motivated event.
I’ll take “Its at times like these I feel like I live in a parallel universe” for 1000 Alex.
I’ll take “Things a 2000 Green Chevy Malibu is useful for while running in a closed garage” for 500 Alex.
I’ll take “Hand me those pills. No,the whole bottle please” for 500 Alex
“Alex, I’m gonna swtch catagories and go with whiney transgendered hetero male lesbians should stop thinking with their glands for $100.”
aww cmon monty, im not that whiney….
and have i ever mentioned that we in the thml community , in addition to being a very exclusive club are an international movement that cannot be stopped ???
I don’t know and if somebody does tell me, but does my employee health insurance cover abortions?
“I don’t know and if somebody does tell me, but does my employee health insurance cover abortions? ”
we in the thml community demand the right to have our own biological abortions, and have our health-care plans pay for them as long as its a public plan we dont have to pay for.
“I don’t know and if somebody does tell me, but does my employee health insurance cover abortions? ”
I just want a answer. I think if you have the regular everyday company health insurance it doesn’t.
Thats the kind of questions people should be asking. If the average guys health insurance doesn’t cover it then your government insurance doesn’t either.
I just want a answer. I think if you have the regular everyday company health insurance it doesn’t.
Maybe if you worked for Planned Parenthood or something like that. It’s not illegal here, as it is in some states. But it would be very rare if it did.
I don’t know and if somebody does tell me, but does my employee health insurance cover abortions?
What’s cheaper, covering an abortion or covering a delivery? That’s what the insurance companies care about.
What’s cheaper, covering an abortion or covering a delivery? That’s what the insurance companies care about.
An abortion is far cheaper than a delivery.
Until you factor in the potential new customer. And their potential to pay premiums.
An abortion is far cheaper than a delivery.
And that was my point.
Until you factor in the potential new customer.
The insurance companies don’t look that far down the road.
And that was my point.
Is it in any plan you offer your employees?
The insurance companies don’t look that far down the road.
Know any actuaries?
Is it in any plan you offer your employees?
I believe it’s in most plans.
Know any actuaries?
And how many years do you think before that infant goes from liability to profit center for the insurance companies?
I believe it’s in most plans.
Hmmm a non-answer answer.
Is it in any plan you offer your employees?
Yes or no.
And how many years do you think before that infant goes from liability to profit center for the insurance companies?
I have no idea, but I bet it’s in an actuarial table somewhere. Those guys are really an@l.
“I don’t know and if somebody does tell me, but does my employee health insurance cover abortions? ”
I don’t know about abortions, but I can use my pre-tax dollars from my health saving account to buy rubbers.
Yay.
and since my company health plan eats the unspent money at some point every year I’ve been known to buy a lot of rubbers right near the end of the term so I don’t lose my money. Happy to say I’ve used them all before they expired.
dubble yay.
This year I haven’t needed any stitches, so I’ve got money to spend that had been allocated for deductible. More than I should spend on prophylactics. I’m thinkin’ new glasses. And that I’m blessed lucky to have my health yet.
“I have no idea, but I bet it’s in an actuarial table somewhere”
And you’d be right. However, what actuaries do for insurance companies is underwrite insurance policies. CEOs and corparate boards decide fiscal policy, profit and loss margins and the like. They use the information actuaries provide to make “business decisions”. This is Dan’s point, I believe. Corporate stewardship can’t see past the end of the fiscal year and/or stock price. It has a decidedly short term mindset.
I’ve been known to buy a lot of rubbers right near the end of the term so I don’t lose my money.
Please tell me your not married AND buying rubbers.
This is Dan’s point, I believe. Corporate stewardship can’t see past the end of the fiscal year and/or stock price. It has a decidedly short term mindset.
And mine is that insurance companies, unless prohibited by law. Will offer it at a market rate. However, business owners, who are the ones that really get the decision, in order to keep their costs down won’t offer it.
Hmmm a non-answer answer.
You mean that was a serious question?
Okay, I’ve never read that far into the fine print of what is and isn’t covered, and I would expect most companies wouldn’t either. They just compare what’s available and go with the cheapest plan. I really can’t imagine any business owner asking their insurance provider, “Yeah, but how much cheaper would it be if we excluded abortions from the plan?” And to my earlier point, I don’t think that exclusion would make a plan cheaper.
“and since my company health plan eats the unspent money at some point every year”
I’m curious, dar. Can you use your money from these plans for anything of a medical nature, like rubbers or cough syrup or medical pot? And they really eat anything that doesn’t get spent?
“However, business owners, who are the ones that really get the decision, in order to keep their costs down won’t offer it.”
Ya, health coverage is a benefit-one that business owners decide to offer voluntarily. The insurers price the plans, the business owners pick which plan to participate in.
They just compare what’s available and go with the cheapest plan.
Not where I work. It’s at least 2 days of negotiating every year. If what you said is true, wouldn’t we all have some kind of major medical policy with a 50K deductible?
If what you said is true, wouldn’t we all have some kind of major medical policy with a 50K deductible?
I didn’t know that was an option.
So are abortions covered on your work plan? Maybe you could ask your administrator (or whoever does the negotiating) how much cheaper it would be to exclude abortions.
Let us know.
“Can you use your money from these plans for anything of a medical nature, like rubbers or cough syrup or medical pot? And they really eat anything that doesn’t get spent? ”
my company contributes about $400/month and it can be used on any valid medical expense, doctors, dentist, scripts, what have you. i dont know about rubbers, havent needed any since the mrs sent me to the vet.
all unused contributions roll over ad infinitum.
Thanks, EBF, for your long post earlier. Yes, it probably would have been better is 2 or 3 shorter posts, but the points were well thought out and presented. KK’s article definitely is culturally narrow. Many cultures see child rearing as the duty of the extended family or the village. The nuclear family is not a universal phenomenon nor is it a recent norm. Citing the nuclear family to continue to oppress gay people makes no sense.
So from what I can tell most companies choose plans that are the cheapest and most likely don’t cover abortions.
Sooooooooooooooooo
Then why should the government plan cover abortion. I thought we wanted people without coverage to have the same coverage most Americans have?
“Then why should the government plan cover abortion”
That’s a good question, tiny. And it’s gonna become a major bump in the road to health care reform, if it’s included in package.
I’m watching the news, flippin’around here and twice I’ve heard this “harassment” claim but I personally have not seen any proof.
And I think things he told his family about doesn’t really pass the evidence test after all hes “crazy” according to those who believe his family’s claim.
Where are the official reports?
“That’s a good question, tiny. And it’s gonna become a major bump in the road to health care reform, if it’s included in package.”
I’m watchin’ Olbermann and Maddow last night and 90% of their shows where on the Abortion portion of the bill. Now I use to be Pro-Choice but it really wasn’t at the top of my Communists agenda. So I’m wondering all night what is the motive behind caring sooooo much about any little Abortion Rights question. ( I understand the other direction because after all you’re killing a human being ) To me covering these “47 million” people to be way more important then a single issue.
This morning I woke up with a clear head and remembered both of these people are Fruitcakes and its their bottom line hate for anything Conservative that drives what they stand for. Its the same way with gay marriage. Civil Unions aren’t enough these people what to “sick it in” somebody’s face. Thats the battle not the issues.
To Tiny: McVeigh’s bombing was payback for Waco, which was a religious cult. It might be a stretch to get there.
To DAR: “I don’t know about abortions, but I can use my pre-tax dollars from my health saving account to buy rubbers.” It’s a fine line come time to submit the claim. It either looks like you’re bragging or that every woman is totally repuled by you. Man I don’t need that kind of pressure.
Hey, my sympathies to the family of my blog namesake. Ya did a good job here on earth Earsell.
So from what I can tell most companies choose plans that are the cheapest and most likely don’t cover abortions.
Because paying for a delivery is so much cheaper than paying for an abortion. Thanks for paying attention.
“To Tiny: McVeigh’s bombing was payback for Waco, which was a religious cult. It might be a stretch to get there.”
So not a direct act by a Christian blowing up a building in the name of the Christian Religion.
“Science is my religion” McVeigh.
Boy its a stretch. I don’t think its the same.
“Because paying for a delivery is so much cheaper than paying for an abortion. Thanks for paying attention.”
Other then rape, incest or the death of the mother I would think an abortion would be a optional procedure like a Johnson enlargement.
I don’t think my work insurance covers that.
So not a direct act by a Christian blowing up a building in the name of the Christian Religion.
No, just revenge for an act against a Christian religious extremist group, so probably not related to religion at all.
In Tiny World.
“No, just revenge for an act against a Christian religious extremist group, so probably not related to religion at all.”
ok , so bottom line is anyone who performs these type of deeds needs to be exterminated, there brains studied by scientists and prob their whole extended families sterilized. the issue is there are far more individuals, and groups of inidivduals that espouse a mainstream muslim idealogy that find it perfectly acceptable to extenguish lives of apostates and infidels while members of any other religion that believe such nonsense are on the fringe and relatively few in number.
being an apologist or an ostrich, unfortunately does not change this fact.
“Because paying for a delivery is so much cheaper than paying for an abortion. Thanks for paying attention.”
Other then rape, incest or the death of the mother I would think an abortion would be a optional thing like a Johnson enlargement.
I don’t think my work insurance covers that.
“In Tiny World.”
Dan I’m reading all kinds of stuff and a “devoted” Christian I’m not finding. ( In the real stuff not your kind of blogs )
And I question “my world” all the time. its something I’ve been doing since I was a teenage anti-war liberal. Question, question, question. Its a good habit to get into. Its saved me from being a “sucker” plenty of times.
Like when we have the third coldest Oct on Record and the guy on the street corner is telling me the planet is warming.
“Because paying for a delivery is so much cheaper than paying for an abortion. Thanks for paying attention.”
Other then rape, inc@st or the death of the mother I would think an abortion would be a optional procedure like a J@hnson enlargement.
I don’t think my work insurance covers that.
“the issue is there are far more individuals, and groups of inidivduals that espouse a mainstream muslim idealogy that find it perfectly acceptable to extenguish lives of apostates and infidels”
Sorry, stevek, but it isn’t mainstream islam that pushes the jihad. It’s those isolated fringe groups you mentioned that go off the deep end.
And, again, this isn’t all about islam. Osama bin Laden himself said he reacted to the US establishing bases in Saudi Arabia. These terrorists are motivated by nationalism and economics, as well as religious fanaticism. I guess it’s easier to lump everything in one tidy box, unfortunately, life ain’t tidy.
“Please tell me your not married AND buying rubbers. ”
Well, yeah I am. Wife requires me to use them as a backstop to the pill. Given up arguing about it.
Don’t worry I’m monogamous.
Anyway enough about my personal life. Really I just brought it up to tweak people who are opposed to family planning and can’t stand the idea of their government sponsoring it. And to taunt Katherine and her elaborate overwrought construct of marriage as vehicle to procreation.
But no govt funds for abortion, I can understand why that would be important to someone and be a dealbreaker on this health care thing. But it wouldn’t let it stop me from voting for govt health care. I also am not in line with absolutist prochoicers who think it’s a deal-breaker to pass govt health care without funding abortion. C’mon folks, if we get 80% of what any of us want from this thing it’d be a huge win for all.
“Like when we have the third coldest Oct on Record and the guy on the street corner is telling me the planet is warming”
It’s the guy on the street who’s talking about the third coldest October on record like they know what they’re talking about. The hard, warm facts are, the people who actually know what they’re talking about as far as the difference between weather and climate think the planet is warming. And they have lots of data to back it up.
“I’m curious, dar. Can you use your money from these plans for anything of a medical nature, like rubbers or cough syrup or medical pot? And they really eat anything that doesn’t get spent? ”
I think the official term might be flexible spending account. Pre-tax income is withheld from my check according to how much I specify and depositied in an account. I can fax in receipts and get reimbursed from the account.
They have the health plan billing hooked up so if I go to the doctor and haven’t yet paid up to my deductible, they cut me a check out of the account for the amount of the bill I have to pay. Last couple years I only go to the doctor when I’m bleeding from a deep cut or when have to submit for health screening to determine how much my deductible is (I don’t have to pay for the latter, though they somtimes bill me when they don’t code it right).
I bet you could get medical pot with a flex spend account, were it legal in your state. In mine it ain’t.
There’s some offical list of what products qualify. Target store has it dialed in so there’s a separate subtotal for health items that qualify. makes for easy filing of claims. Any sort of contraception qualifies. Oddly, Breathe Right strips for snoring don’t.
Any money I don’t use by the end of the term gets absorbed into the company’s “wellnes plan”, and funds their various initiatives. Which I think means paying the salaries of people who dream this stuff up. After last year I cut my witholding back to the amount of my deductible. Still haven’t spent it.
montty data or not its all street corner preaching. NO DIFFERANCE.
montty be honest. Your comments if this came out of the mouth of George W Bush
“During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.”
“Sorry, stevek, but it isn’t mainstream islam that pushes the jihad. It’s those isolated fringe groups you mentioned that go off the deep end.
And, again, this isn’t all about islam. Osama bin Laden himself said he reacted to the US establishing bases in Saudi Arabia. These terrorists are motivated by nationalism and economics, as well as religious fanaticism. I guess it’s easier to lump everything in one tidy box, unfortunately, life ain’t tidy. ”
Wow!
“montty data or not its all street corner preaching. NO DIFFERANCE”
Right. So if you have a medical problem, you don’t go to someone like a doctor, you know, someone who has studied medicine for years and passed peer reviewed examinations on the subject, you just go talk to the guy on the street. No difference.
“I guess it’s easier to lump everything in one tidy box, unfortunately, life ain’t tidy.”
This comment is very relevant to Katherine’s tired old argument against gay marriage.
I sense in Katherine a yearning for an incredilbly simple and rigidly demarcated, well-ordered universe that manifests itself in homogenously hetero uniform family structures and no matter how bad she wants it to be just so, it just ain’t so and likely won’t be.
She’s probably the reincarnation of someone who had trouble admitting that Gallileo was right.
Ok here is some of Tinys research and it didn’t cost a dime and all he had to do was PAY ATTENTION!
Atlanta sure has been getting its share of rain the past year. Tiny remembers not so long ago the big drought in that area that some said was caused by Global Warming and would last 100 years.
Dar, sounds like you and stevek have different plans. I think it’s interesting in your case, that you are somehow supposed to correctly estimate how much to put into the account, and if you don’t use it all, it goes away. I like everything about you plan except that.
“all he had to do was PAY ATTENTION!”
I’ve lived in Minnesota for 55 years. I hunt and fish quite a bit, and I used to drive for a living ’til about 10 years ago. I pay attention too, and I’ve noticed that I sure seem to see alot of dead possums on the side of the road these days. It’s a fairly recent occurence. Any ideas why, tiny?
“all he had to do was PAY ATTENTION!”
The moose herd in Minnesota is stressed, according to the DNR. In fact, if conditions continue the way they have for the past 20 years or so, they estimate that there will be no more moose in Minnesota within the next twenty or so years. Any idea why, tiny?
“The moose herd in Minnesota is stressed, according to the DNR. In fact, if conditions continue the way they have for the past 20 years or so, they estimate that there will be no more moose in Minnesota within the next twenty or so years. Any idea why, tiny?”
I know and its so easy to go back and search the papers from the past 4.5 billion years and see when this last occurred. Maybe its because Lake Superior water levels are back up.
“all he had to do was PAY ATTENTION!”
The lodgepole pine in Colorado is being decimated by a beetle. It’s pretty serious, they think they’re gonna lose 1/4 to 1/3 of the pines to the beetle infestation in the next 10-15 years. The beetle has been in the forests for a long time, it’s not something new or non-native like the ash borer or dutch elm, but now it’s really becoming a problem. Any idea why, tiny?
Is it parasites, or climate change, or both, that’s killing Minnesota’s moose?
Minnesota moose seem to be dying when and where they shouldn’t — in the prime of life, or in the fall, when they should be fat, and amid plenty of food. The causes are still largely unknown.
LARGELY UNKNOWN.
Sounds more like a disease as the cause
See if you can’t read the whole story montty you can’t tell me thats PAYING ATTENTION.
Sound more like attention deficit on your part.
Rick Cables, the U.S. Forest Service’s regional supervisor
“Cables, however, emphasized that what is occurring is in many ways a natural event, fueled in part by uniformly older lodgepole forests and the role of the beetle in thinning.
He compared the situation to having a human population made up entirely of people in their 70s and 80s, when disease begins to affect large numbers.
“Mountain pine beetles are an agent of regeneration,” Cables said.”
I guess thats why?
“LARGELY UNKNOWN”
minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/03/20/moose_study/
www.startribune.com/local/15895882.html
wcco.com/pets/moose.warming.climate.2.882970.html
Sounds more like attention deficit on who’s part?
montty whats wrong with you. Thats the same story I was sighting. Its says right there the cause is largely UNKNOWN.
From your link
“Rolf Peterson, a well-known moose expert at Michigan Technological University, said shorter winters, hotter summer days and natural phenomenon are all working against moose ”
and natural phenomenon?
Mike Schrage, a wildlife biologist with the Fond du Lac Band of Ojibwe.
“”I do think global warming is having an impact on our moose,” said Schrage. “I think it gets complicated between climate change and a dead moose. Because I don’t think I’m ever going to walk up to a moose carcass and be able to say, oh, it died of climate change. I think there’s a lot that happens in between.”"
From your link.
I’m not going to get you to change your mind you read YOUR RELIGION into everything. No difference between you Nutcases and Religious Nutcases.
“Mountain pine beetles are an agent of regeneration,” Cables said.”
I just found that article, tiny. It’s more recent that most of what I’ve read. Good point. Seems there is some discussion and what’s driving the beetle infestation. Here’s a paper on the subject that doesn’t really say yes or no to the climate factor(as far as I can tell), but does go into great detail on the relationship between the forest and the beetle.
Oooops, here’s the link:
What’s cheaper, covering an abortion or covering a delivery? That’s what the insurance companies care about.
If that’s true, why would my insurance company have no trouble covering an implanted defirillator, all my heart meds, and the associated doctor visits, but would not cover any smoking cessation treatment?
“Rolf Peterson, a well-known moose expert at Michigan Technological University, said shorter winters, hotter summer days and natural phenomenon are all working against moose ”
”I do think global warming is having an impact on our moose,” said Schrage. “I think it gets complicated between climate change and a dead moose”
Let’s see, both your quotes cite climate change as a factor, tiny, but I’m no different than a religious nutcase. As Dan says, only in tiny world.
Here’s another quote from my first link:
“The connection between rising temperatures and dying moose isn’t clear. Scientists do know that in northwestern Minnesota, the average midwinter temperature has increased a startling 11 degrees in just the past 40 years. That’s not good for a beast that thrives in the cold.”
It’s not a slam dunk, tiny. But if you’re paying attention, you’ll notice that the climate is changing. No one knows for sure why, but very few deny that it is changing.
“would not cover any smoking cessation treatment?”
Mine has covered all my heart deals plus two rounds of smoking cessation treatment in the last year.
Don’t blame your insurance blame your employer or whoever picked your policy.
God if I didn’t have a job I could sit on here all day and disprove everything you morons bring up.
I guess the Major doesn’t want to tells us all of the Harassment he has received. I figure nobody’s gotten to him yet.
“U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with an individual associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.”
If I check my playbook from the last 8 years we should be looking for Holders Head here, right?
“Let’s see, both your quotes cite climate change as a factor, tiny, but I’m no different than a religious nutcase. As Dan says, only in tiny world.”
I saw those you dope but I figured you already saw those being that you brought them up. I was pointing out what you failed to see.
And hey I didn’t hold those up as shining examples of the impact of global warming when somewhere in all the articles that you sighted say its “Inconclusive”
Obama says “don’t jump to conclusions”
Glaciers and ice caps. Shrinking fast.
Migratory fish winding up in places they never used to be.
Japanese trawlers tipping over with tons of jellyfish in their nets.
Stuff’s movin’ around. Planet’s warming up. Regardless of what tiny says. I don’t think anyone knows what exactly all we’re in for. I don’t think some mamsy pamsy carbon trading market that only half the world has to participate in is going to reverse it.
Some of the carbon-trading schemes have stupid exemptions where like wood-burning power plants are considered “biofuel”. Criminy. Let’s cut down the living things that are cleaning carbon out of the air, and burn them. my God.
The things that worry me the most on the AGW tip are the growth of dirty coal-burning power plants in China, and the rate of deforestation all over the Pacific Rim, Africa, and South America.
Well hey at least there’s still deep snow in the Wasatch mountains for now. Just booked a biz trip to Utah in Early December.
That means snow boarding.
Perilous slippery slopes can be fun city, if you know how to carve an edge.
Maybe I should boycot the ski slopes of Utah to protest the Mormons’ meddling in Prop 8 in California. They really shoulda butted out of that. Hmmm. nah. Snowboarding’s too fun to let politics get in the way.
I pay attention too, and I’ve noticed that I sure seem to see alot of dead possums on the side of the road these days. It’s a fairly recent occurence. Any ideas why, tiny?
Liberal soci@lists are using sanctuary city policies to import a massive flood of illegal possums?
Other then rape, inc@st or the death of the mother I would think an abortion would be a optional…
Because once a women gets pregnant nothing ever goes medically wrong with the fetus’ development. Ever.
In Tiny World.
I do think global warming is having an impact on our moose,” said Schrage. “I think it gets complicated between climate change and a dead moose”
Did anyone see the past two episodes of Nova on PBS? It seems that the strongest theory on the evolution of the human race is that rapid changes in climate caused our predecessors to evolve into modern man.
God if I didn’t have a job I could sit on here all day and disprove everything you morons bring up.
Can you get your Malibu out of the garage without opening the garage door, and without causing damage to either the garage, or the car? Without disassembling the car?
I say yes.
Disprove me.
If your opposition to abortion is all about protecting the unborn, then why is the way that life was conceived determinative of why it can be killed? Is it the unborn’s fault it was conceived through rape and therefore should be snuffed out? To say otherwise is to admit it’s about the Mom and not the kid. I never understood that.
“garage without opening the garage door”
I’d open the door.
My old man drove into this very garage door about 15 years ago. I pulled up with this big smile on my face seeing the car halfway into the garage. I pounded that one into the ground over the next few years.
He also had a car burn up on him. Went to play some golf and saw the car ablaze coming up the second fairway.
Listen I’m 48…never ran out of gas, never locked my keys in the car, never got a ticket.
I’m the closest thing to God you guys are ever going to meet.
“I’m the closest thing to God you guys are ever going to meet.”
Ya, I’d say you have the same temperment
“Listen I’m 48…never ran out of gas, never locked my keys in the car, never got a ticket.”
That’s easy. I’ve done all those things several times!
This is awesome! Finally I’ll soon be able to realize my dream of having three (two growing out of my head like the antennae on an insect)
D2, you could get your first.
LiveScience.com charles Q. Choi
special To Livescience
livescience.com – Mon Nov 9, 10:04 pm ET
One day artificial penis tissue could be grown to help men, new findings in rabbits now suggest.
After implantation with replacement tissue, lab rabbits that once had damaged penises had working organs and could produce offspring.
“Further studies are required, of course, but our results are encouraging and suggest that the technology has considerable potential for patients who need penile reconstruction,” said researcher Anthony Atala, director of Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center’s Institute for Regenerative Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C.
Such methods could potentially aid men who just want to enhance their normal penises, rather than repairing any damage.
“Our intent and the goal of our work is to provide a solution for men who need penile erectile tissue for medical reasons,” Atala told LiveScience. “Of course, you cannot control how the technology is used in terms of what patients want.”
The real hope is “that patients with congenital abnormalities, penile cancer, traumatic injury and some cases of erectile dysfunction will benefit from this technology in the future,” Atala said.
This is great. Soon, I’ll finally be able to realize my dream of owning three. I’ve always wanted two growing out of my head like the antennae of an insect.
D2, You’ll be able to get one that’s visible to the naked eye.
livescience.com – Mon Nov 9, 10:04 pm ET
One day artificial peniis tissue could be grown to help men, new findings in rabbits now suggest.
After implantation with replacement tissue, lab rabbits that once had damaged penises had working organs and could produce offspring.
“Further studies are required, of course, but our results are encouraging and suggest that the technology has considerable potential for patients who need peniile reconstruction,” said researcher Anthony Atala, director of Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center’s Institute for Regenerative Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C.
Such methods could potentially aid men who just want to enhance their normal peniises, rather than repairing any damage.
“Our intent and the goal of our work is to provide a solution for men who need peniile erec-tyle tissue for medical reasons,” Atala told LiveScience. “Of course, you cannot control how the technology is used in terms of what patients want.”
The real hope is “that patients with congenital abnormalities, peniile cancer, traumatic injury and some cases of ere-ctyle dyysfunction will benefit from this technology in the future,” Atala said.
This is great. Soon, I’ll finally be able to realize my dream of owning three. I’ve always wanted two growing out of my head like the antennae of an insect.
D2, You’ll be able to get one that’s visible to the naked eye.
livescience.com – Mon Nov 9, 10:04 pm ET
One day artificial peniis tissue could be grown to help men, new findings in rabbits now suggest.
After implantation with replacement tissue, lab rabbits that once had damaged peiniises had working organs and could produce offspring.
“Further studies are required, of course, but our results are encouraging and suggest that the technology has considerable potential for patients who need peiniile reconstruction,” said researcher Anthony Atala, director of Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center’s Institute for Regenerative Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C.
Such methods could potentially aid men who just want to enhance their normal peiniises, rather than repairing any damage.
“Our intent and the goal of our work is to provide a solution for men who need peiniile erec-tyle tissue for medical reasons,” Atala told LiveScience. “Of course, you cannot control how the technology is used in terms of what patients want.”
The real hope is “that patients with congenital abnormalities, peniile cancer, traumatic injury and some cases of ere-ctyle dy-ysfun-ction will benefit from this technology in the future,” Atala said.
That’s easy. I’ve done all those things several times!
And not coincidentally you’re the furthest thing from God we’re ever going to meet.
Political opponents and experts blame water and electricity shortages on communist leadership. Losing power: In Venezuela, communism is a cold shower.
“In 2007 the president compounded the problem by nationalizing what remained of the private power industry. Since then there have been half-a-dozen national blackouts. Meanwhile, demand for electricity has grown by an annual average of 4.5 percent.”
www.startribune.com/business/69606137.html?elr=KArksUUUoDEy3LGDiO7aiU
Do you think Obama and his democrat soci@list party will learn anything from this? Yes, how to destroy our economy even more, that seems to be their goal.
This liberal democrat soci@list has the same failed ideology as Venezuela’s Marxist leader Hugo Chavez:
“Maxine Waters Wants To “Soci@lize” Oil Companies”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJAkR_6tKQ
Wasn’t Maxine Waters under investigation for corruption recently as well?
Watch Olbermann now and when they have that split screen deal watch Olbermanns face the moment right after he asks a question. Kills me, but I’m left not able to put it in words.
Stop.
Better.
www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/10/uk.baby.life.support/index.html
So, does anyone else have a problem with this? I have a hard time understanding how this is justified? This is a child who is not dependent on his/her mother. It’s a living being. A human who is about to be killed because the parents don’t want it. If anyone has a defense, I’d love to hear it.
He said the baby can play and recognize its parents.
That’s cute. Now stop it’s breathing.
A human who is about to be killed
Normal people would say “Allowed to die.”
“His lungs fill with fluid every few hours — giving him the sensation he is choking — and that doctors must then use suction to remove the fluid, also causing the child to suffer,”
You want a defense of letting nature run it’s course? That you would prefer to make this baby suffer for what time he has remaining is barbaric.
If anyone has a defense, I’d love to hear it.
Not a defense DJ.
But would you want to live like that? Is that living?
Normal people would say “Allowed to die.”
If you are horribly injured and I stand there for 20 hours watching you die rather than get help, I would say I killed you. Not helping a person stay alive when you have the power to is the same as killing them.
You want a defense of letting nature run it’s course?
If we should just let “nature run it’s course”, why do we have hospitals?
But would you want to live like that? Is that living?
I don’t know, I can’t imagine how tough it would be. But it’s not for me to decide if another human dies.
The baby’s brain is not affected by his condition, experts testified.
Maybe (s)he would grow up and be a genius and invent a mobile ventillator which can be put in a backpack and you can carry around with you and live a mostly normal life. Maybe (s)he would grow up and decide that it’s not worth living and then take their own life. It doesn’t matter. It’s not our decision. You’re still letting an innocent baby die (that “you” doesn’t mean “you“. General “you”).
If you are horribly injured and I
“The child — identified only as Baby RB — is 13 months old and suffers from congenital myasthenic syndrome, a rare genetic condition which means he cannot breathe on his own.”
You can’t compare an injury, which someone can recover from, to a congenital defect from which there’s no effective treatment.
“The baby’s brain is not affected by his condition, experts testified.”
But if the baby can’t ever get more than a couple of hours sleep, and is in continuous pain, the brain WILL be severely affected.
Maybe (s)he would grow up and be a genius and invent a mobile ventillator which can be put in a backpack and
And also suck the fluid out of their lungs every two hours?
But it’s not for me to decide if another human dies.
But you are trying to decide that another human, who would have died at birth and has no chance of normal development, suffers for their entire artificially extended existence here.
Barbaric.
“Watch Olbermann now and when they have that split screen deal watch Olbermanns face the moment right after he asks a question. Kills me, but I’m left not able to put it in words. ”
But I don’t wanna watch Olbermann.
DJ,
I’m afraid we have a difference of opinon here.
If a child can’t breathe without a respirator and the doctor’s don’t know any way to fix that, I think it’s the prerogative of the parents to decide to pull the plug. the fact that the baby isn’t brain dead is what makes this one harder than usual but still I would cede that decision to the parents.
Interesting that in the article what was battled in court was the parents couldn’t agree on which course to take.
Now you can extend this debate to Katherine’s stale topic. I’ve always found it interesting that the care directives wishes of a spouse override any other next of kin (like parents or children) when a married adult is brain-dead on a respirator.
This is a big deal for life-partnered gay people when their partner’s meddling parents swoop in and make a decision contrary to their partner’s wishes (whether it be to prolong life OR to ebnd it). Then once death occurs they take half of any jointly-held property and all of their family member’s property that the other partner should have inherited, if the will isn’t tight enough. But we’ve said all this before.
There are other important things happening in the World other than the gay things you keep worrying about Katherine. Try branching out. It’s good to Think Again, but try thinking for the first time about something new too.
Please.
“That’s cute. Now stop it’s breathing. ”
But the breathing is trying to stop on its own.
“A prominent Columbia architecture professor punched a female university employee in the face at a Harlem bar during a heated argument about race relations, cops said yesterday.
Police busted Lionel McIntyre, 59, for assault yesterday after his bruised victim, Camille Davis, filed charges.
Tiny is now for hate crime laws. Lets start with prison time for this guy.
“Tiny is now for hate crime laws. Lets start with prison time for this guy”
How about they start with filing charges, if such a law is on the books to prosecute him with.
“How about they start with filing charges, if such a law is on the books to prosecute him with. ”
you mean equality under the law instead of having seperate, more protected classes of people ??? sounds racist, intolerant and hateful
I’ve never ever heard of a hate crime law that would make it possible for a white person to be charged with a hate crime against a black person, but not for a black person to be charged with a hate crime against a white person. No such law exists on any books anywhere in the USA.
I don’t think any legislative body has even tried to pass a one-sided hate crimes law that favors minorities. Not with sexuality-based hate, either. Prove me wrong if you can.
you mean equality under the law instead of having seperate, more protected classes of people ???
Hate crimes legislation has nothing to do with a more “protected” class being more equal than others. The point of Hate Crime laws is to be able to prosecute individuals for attempting to terrorize specific groups.
If I punch you I’m guilty of assault. But if I punch you and say this is a warning to everyone in your race that they’re next it elevates from a simple assault to a “hate crime” because it wasn’t directed so much at an individual but was an attempt to terrorize an entire specific group of people.
Let’s try and put this another way. If someone beats my neighbor I can be worried about the safety of my neighborhood in general, but if they did so because they hate bald dudes and were sending a message that it’s not safe for bald dudes in my area then I have to worry that I’ll specifically be targeted next. That elevates it from simple one-on-one random assault to a more severe crime against a specific community of people.
Say what you want, but I don’t see how this is “racist, intolerant and hateful” unless it’s crimping your ability to terrorize a specific class of your neighbors.
I think the idea that hate crimes law creates “more protected” classes of people is a canard.
The only way for gay people and ethnic minorities to be “more protected” under the hate crimes laws I’ve seen (most of which are only proposed and not enacted laws) is if they’re actually attacked more frequently for who they are than white heterosexuals are. Hence a disporportionate number of white heterosexuals being convicted of said crimes. I think maybe the odds for that are good. I’ve never heard of roving bands of gay youth bashing straight couples outside of nightclubs.
Black-on-white hate crime is more frequent, still rare compared to the white-on-black kind.
If NYC or the State of New York has a hate crimes law on the books (I’m guessing there isn’t one), than maybe this clown from Columbia should be charged with it.
But maybe Lionel McIntyre is just a cantankerous drunk who punches anyone who disagrees with him, without hating them exactly. Maybe he’s an equal opportunity assault-and-battery kinda guy. The disagreement at hand just happened to be about racial politics.
This is the part that bugs me about hate crimes laws. Not the idea that a “more protected” class is being created, but rather that a crime comitted with a particular kind of malice is worse than the same crime with a different sort of malice behind it. It’s getting into the realm of thought-police stuff.
You can’t compare an injury, which someone can recover from, to a congenital defect from which there’s no effective treatment.
Not right now. Is it unfathomable to think that someone might think of a cure in the next 20, 30 years?
And also suck the fluid out of their lungs every two hours?
Sure.
But you are trying to decide that another human, who would have died at birth and has no chance of normal development, suffers for their entire artificially extended existence here.
No, I’m saying we should have no say in the matter. It’s another human being. Who are we to decide whether that human lives or dies.
Listen, the main argument I hear from people who are pro-choice is that the fetus is a part of the mother and is not viable. They say that once the fetus is viable, it should not be killed. Well this baby is viable. It’s not living through the mother anymore. Sure, it needs help to stay alive, but so do all babies. They all need taking care of and this one needs more taking care of.
Barbaric.
Please. Just because you wouldn’t want to live like that doesn’t mean the child doesn’t. Who are you to say that the baby wouldn’t grow up to live a perfectly happy life? Sure, (s)he is going to have plenty of hardships because of his/her condition, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be happy.
Read this story and look at the pictures.
http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20091111-tows-charla-nash-chimp
Why didn’t they just kill this woman in the hospital. All they had to do was stop attending to her and she would have died. After all, who would want to live such a terrible life as hers? She’s horribly disfigured, can’t breathe through her nose, has to eat through a straw, and can’t see. What a terrible life to live, right? Fvck her. Let her die, right? According to you, she shouldn’t even have a choice.
Since when does being a baby mean you don’t have the same right to life that adults have?
You can’t compare an injury, which someone can recover from, to a congenital defect from which there’s no effective treatment.
Not right now. Is it unfathomable to think that someone might come up with a cure in the next 20, 30 years?
And also suck the fluid out of their lungs every two hours?
That too.
But you are trying to decide that another human, who would have died at birth and has no chance of normal development, suffers for their entire artificially extended existence here.
No, I’m saying we should have no say in the matter. It’s another human being. Who are we to decide whether that human lives or dies?
Listen, the main argument I hear from people who are pro-choice is that the fetus is a part of the mother and is not viable. They say that once the fetus is viable, it should not be killed. Well this baby is viable. It’s not living through the mother anymore. Sure, it needs help to stay alive, but so do all babies. They all need taking care of and this one needs more taking care of.
Barbaric.
Please. Just because you wouldn’t want to live like that doesn’t mean the child doesn’t. Who are you to say that the baby wouldn’t grow up to live a perfectly happy life? Sure, (s)he is going to have plenty of hardships because of his/her condition, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be happy.
Read this story and look at the pictures.
www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20091111-tows-charla-nash-chimp
Why didn’t they just kill this woman in the hospital. All they had to do was stop attending to her and she would have died. After all, who would want to live such a terrible life as hers? She’s horribly disfigured, can’t breathe through her nose, has to eat through a straw, and can’t see. What a terrible life to live, right? Fvck her. Let her die, right? According to you, she shouldn’t even have a choice.
Since when does being a baby mean you don’t have the same right to life that adults have?
Try branching out…
Please.
I agree. I took one look at the title to this column and skipped right to the comments. I ended up reading it because of EBF’s post, and I was going to reply to EBF, but never got around to it. The gay marriage issue is tired on this blog.
I’m saying we should have no say in the matter.
Then the baby would have died at birth.
Who are we to decide whether that human lives or dies?
Nature already decided this human would die. Doctors tried to reverse this decision while they tried various treatments. None worked.
Well this baby is viable.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Who are you to say that the baby wouldn’t grow up to live a perfectly happy life?
Sleep deprived and chronic pain babies living attached to machines don’t grow up to live perfectly happy lives. At some point the bodies can’t take it any longer and machines or not organs will start to fail. More pain on top of a short life of pain so someone can tell themselves that they’re all about “life.”
Why didn’t they just kill this woman in the hospital.
Still not clear on the difference between injuries and terminal genetic defects?
“Well this baby is viable.”
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Actually Dane, while I had the same initial hunch, it seems to appear that in the various Supreme Court arguments over the years, “viable” includes a fetus that would need a respirator to survive outside the womb. Of course this baby is in England. Who knows what their standard of viablity is.
Interesting though that their state-sponsored health care system is keeping this baby alive on a respirator with frequent lung fluid draining procedures while the parents fight in court over what to do. Where’s the “death panel?” How’d this little tyke get past the triage the teapartiers would have us believe is in effect there?
Whoops, meant to say Dan not Dane.
Not speculating as to your heritage.
“viable” includes a fetus that would need a respirator to survive outside the womb.
But as a temporary assist, not as a permanent ongoing condition to survive.
And yes, it is interesting that a state run health care system would spend what’s necessary to keep such a baby alive.
Then the baby would have died at birth.
Every baby would die if we didn’t take care of them.
Nature already decided this human would die.
Everyone is going to die. Who gets to decide which babies’ diseases make that life “not worth living”?
Doctors tried to reverse this decision while they tried various treatments. None worked.
None worked? The baby is alive, is it not?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Princess Bride. Nice.
From dictionary.com:
having attained such form and development as to be normally capable of surviving outside the mother’s womb
You will argue the “normally” part of that definition. What’s “normal”? What if the baby has a heart condition? Let it die?
More pain on top of a short life of pain so someone can tell themselves that they’re all about “life.”
Nice. An attack on my motivation. You think I get my jollies off on saying “I’m PRO-LIFE!!”? Give me a break.
Still not clear on the difference between injuries and terminal genetic defects?
There are plenty of genetic defects which would be terminal if doctors did not intervene.
A woman I know had a child born with a serious heart problem. The child ended up getting a heart transplant but the doctors said it was unlikely she would live past the age of 2. She ended up dying at the age of 7. Was her life - which was full of pills, trips to the hospital, pain, etc - a waste of a life? She was a good older sister to her 3 younger siblings, a good daughter to her parents, and had friends and lots of extended family whom she loved and was loved by. But since she never became an adult, it’s just a wasted life? Once again, who gets to decide which lives would be “wasted” and which ones wouldn’t?
“Since when does being a baby mean you don’t have the same right to life that adults have?”
Say some 25 year old man or woman develops congenital myasthenic syndrome(Baby RBs condition). What do you do? Do you allow that person to die? Or do you do what you can to keep him/her alive?
Dj’s question goes right to the heart of this dilemma. The difference is, a 25 year old could make their wishes, as far as whether he/she wanted to undergo treatment, known. A 13 month old child cannot do this.
Dans “Still not clear on the difference between injuries and terminal genetic defects” just begs the question. Where there’s life, there’s hope. Has anyone ever recovered from an injury or an illness at one point deemed terminal?
This is a tough situation, one I’m glad I have never had to face. If it were my choice, as a parent, I’d say keep the ventilator going.
“A 13 month old child cannot do this.”
That’s why the choice is up to the parents (who in this case are having trouble choosing).
“If it were my choice, as a parent, I’d say keep the ventilator going.”
I would support you in that choice.
D2’s lover is headlining CNN.com
That’s why the choice is up to the parents
What gives parents the right to make the decision to let their child die? Should all parents who have children born with serious medical conditions be allowed to make this decision? How serious is “serious”? Where is the cut-off?
What gives parents the right to make the decision to let their child die?
Cuz we own you little sh!ts.
How serious is “serious”? Where is the cut-off?
That’s a question only a parent can answer. My kids are older, but I know none of my kids would want to live that way. However, unless they were completely brain dead. I can’t imagine making that decision.
But I also can’t judge those that would.
“I don’t think any legislative body has even tried to pass a one-sided hate crimes law that favors minorities. Not with sexuality-based hate, either. Prove me wrong if you can.”
Just trying to point out how dumb it is. Its a political thing and its BS.
Murder/Rape etc already have a element of hate in them. Who decides what is hate crime vs a regular everyday we don’t talk much about them, Crime.
Its all about getting that “No” vote of a reasonable person and bang him over the head with it in the next election.
PLUS..I watched the Nightly News and was away for a second. Did I miss this story?
Where’s Greg? I hope he’s OK.
Where’s Greg? I hope he’s OK.
I have a little money and would like to pay my fine for having no health insurance. I want to do this before I waste the money on food, rent and medicine.
Should I make the check out to the Democrat party, or to Limousine Liberals inc.? Maybe to Nancy Pelosi?
Nancy needs to look good at all those high society, gala, lefty Democrat events. I think I will send my check to Nancy. She can use it toward a little touch-up.
Nancy is looking pretty good, but there are a couple spots I see need to be touched up. Nothing serious. Just a bit of bondo and a little paint needed.
Anyone else going to be watching Wolves/Blazers? I think I’ll be the only one in Minnesota watching. That includes the players’ wives.
The hate crimes agenda is to instill fear in people, in order to censor speech. The point is to curtail dissenting opinions.
I have never seen a wolf wearing a blazer. Is it navy blue? Does the wolf wear it with gray slacks?
The hate crimes agenda is to instill fear in people, in order to censor speech. The point is to curtail dissenting opinions.
We have a winner!!
I have never seen a wolf wearing a blazer.
I don’t think the wolf will be wearing the blazer. It’s more like the blazer is going to suffocate the wolf.
“Anyone else going to be watching Wolves/Blazers? I think I’ll be the only one in Minnesota watching. That includes the players’ wives.”
You probably are D.J., no wonder they are giving the tickets away.
“Anyone else going to be watching Wolves/Blazers? I think I’ll be the only one in Minnesota watching. That includes the players’ wives.”
You probably are D.J., no wonder they are giving the tickets away.
“Anyone else going to be watching Wolves/Blazers? I think I’ll be the only one in Minnesota watching. That includes the players’ wives.”
You probably are D.J., no wonder they are giving the tickets away.
“The hate crimes agenda is to instill fear in people, in order to censor speech. The point is to curtail dissenting opinions.”
“We have a winner!!”
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There is hope for America after all!
I should maybe watch a sporting event sometime. I once saw this match where they threw the pig’s skin through the air. I think Fancis Tarkington threw the pig’s skin. It was a long time ago.
I watched this event with my father. I asked my father if he ever wondered about what the pig thought about having his skin thrown through the air. He wanted me to like the match, but I didn’t understand it. It didn’t seem to make much sense wearing those helmets and throwing a pig around. He was always dissappointed in me.
He was happy that his favorite pig tossers won. I said I didn’t care who won. This upset him. I still don’t care, but I wish I could watch something with him still today. He has passed away. I would like to watch “The Rifleman” with him. Is that still on? I have never owned a TV.
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/09/politics/washingtonpost/main5588563.shtml
This deer picked the wrong fence to jump over.
Mr dare2, I see that Keith Hakim Magic Carpet Ellison voted to fine me for having no insurance.
I supported him for one reason. Because he was Muslim. I knew he was no good, but I wanted a Muslim to win. Yes, I know that was stupid.
This deer picked the wrong fence to jump over.
Scared deer, just like scared Humans, do stupid sh!t.
I wonder if Keith ever payed all those fines for all those tickets he received for parking the magic carpet in the wrong place.
www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/11/11/pakistan.hero/index.html
Seems strange that there is so much emphasis put on the fact that he’s a Christian who helped Muslims. Wouldn’t anyone want to help a school full of girls regardless of your beliefs and regardless of the girls’ beliefs?
Would it be less interesting if the girls were Christians?
“The hate crimes agenda is to instill fear in people, in order to censor speech. The point is to curtail dissenting opinions”
The agenda of hate crimes is to instill fear in people, in order to censor speech. The point is to curtail dissenting opinions.
Fixed it.
“Wouldn’t anyone want to help a school full of girls regardless of your beliefs and regardless of the girls’ beliefs?”
Of course. It’s more of a juicy storyline these days because of the Christian saves Muslims angle, but you’re right, religious affiliation makes no difference. He did what any decent human being should do.
aw, man, the humane humans just had to wreck the captive lions’ fun.
Always deciding what’s best for someone else. One of our most unbecoming traits as a species.
“The hate crimes agenda is to instill fear in people, in order to censor speech. The point is to curtail dissenting opinions”
I think it has more to do with the desire of progressives to hold yokels accountable for hate crimes committed in remote areas. You know, federal charges. Someone kills a gay person or drags a black person behind a truck in a region where the local law doesn’t try too hard to suppress such behavior. Bring in the feds to mete out justice. Violation of federal civil rights. That sort of thing. I’d agree with your statement if there was more of a movement afoot to punish hate speech, but I think that’s a bogeyman for white men with an inexplicable persecution complex. What I’ve seen is a movement to punish violent crimes with more severe charges if hatred is the motive for the crime. Problematic, sure. You’re punishing a motivation in addition to an action. Social engineering. but to suggest hate crimes laws are about suppressing dissent is hyperbolic.
now tiny’s assertion,
“Its all about getting that “No” vote of a reasonable person and bang him over the head with it in the next election.”
I think there is more merit to this. It is out of style to be a hater. Senator Byrd saw that a long time ago.
“Where is the cut-off?”
DJ,
I think this scenario you’ve drawn our attention is right on the blurry line of where the cutoff is.
But you know what? I am frankly less concerned with an exotic case of medical limbo in some foreign country than I am by the fact that there are millions of children right here in this country with less exotic health problems but practical need for care nonetheless and no health insurance.
What I’ve seen is a movement to punish violent crimes with more severe charges if hatred is the motive for the crime.
Isn’t hatred the motivation for a lot of crimes? Murder, assualt, all that?
I’m not saying I disagree with you, it just seems inconsistent.
I am frankly less concerned with an…
It’s still a child’s life, regardless of where they happen to live or what their reasons for dying is.
The point is to curtail dissenting opinions.
Really takes all the fun our of kicking someone’s ass (expressing an “opinion” with your fists) for being a minority, doesn’t it.
Isn’t hatred the motivation for a lot of crimes? Murder, assualt, all that?
I think greed is a more common motivator than hate.
greed, passion, accident, there all sorts of motives for crimes.
So if you kill someone you caught in bed with your wife, in a fit of jealous rage, is it a less heinous crime than if you kill someone because they are a different color than you and you have genocidal feelings toward them.
That is the question.
One of the things to consider is recidivism. The person who kills out of hate rather than in the heat of the moment might be way more likely to do it again. So put ‘em away longer.
But what’s the test of hate as a motive?
Does the victim of the crime have to be a defined member of a “suspect class” a la 14th Amendment scrutiny, in order for it to be a hate crime? What evidence to they have to gather that you’re a hater, to make the hate charge stick?
one law of the land for everyone. if its a crime, its a crime. if its not , its not. there are already plenty of laws on the books that deal with murder, rape assault, etc. my good friend leland is right. hate crime laws , whether intended, which i believe are, or not, have the effect of creating “thought” crimes. speech which we are guarenteed by the constitution suddenly becomes outlawed, when we speak our conscience about issues. for example, simply stating biblical beliefs that homosexuality is wrong has been labeled hate speech in northern ireland, sweden and canada and pastors have been charged with inciting violence against homosexuals. journalists in canada have run afoul of canadian hate speech laws for daring to question whether islamm is simply just a religion of peace. some apologists will deny it will ever happen here but the liberal regressive thought pattern is an international disease that recognize no borders. they seek their own paternal caliphate, where they , the presumptive intelligentsia, dictate to us lesser beings for our own collective good.
make no mistake. these supposed hate speech laws, whether promoted for just or nefarious reasons, will become another source of control over what we are allowed to see and hear, speak and think.
i do find it hiariously ironic that a major in the armed services can conduct a presentation that espouses the most heinous attitutedes toward non-muslims, as muslim terrorist hassan has, in front of his collegues, had been know to post hateful messages on islamic hate blogs, been in contact will the decalred enemy of america, al-queda, and yet still be allowed to serve in the military without consequence. while at the same time a person cannot state they are gay.
such are the ironic results of the liberal regressive era of political correctness.
“one law of the land for everyone. if its a crime, its a crime. if its not , its not”
You start so well, stevek, but somewhere in your post “hate crime laws” become “hate speech laws”. Hate crime laws apply to everyone, so what’s your point? As dar points out in a couple post above, motivation is an important element in determining what type of crime a person commits. Premeditated murder or manslaughter, that type of thing. There is nothing new in this, except you just don’t want the same type of reasoning process applied to crimes commited against a certain person because of the ethnicity or sexual orientation. So, to follow your method, murder is murder-if you kill someone, regardless of the circumstances it’s all the same. Good luck with that one.
I do think your speech concerns are valid, however. I don’t care for pornography myself, but I don’t want the “thought police” deciding what a person can publish. There are limits to this as well. Publish all the Playboys you want, but I think they should be for adults only. Isn’t this an example of restricting freedom of speech?
Things like this arn’t defined along very sharp and clear borders. I find hate speech as repulsive as pornography. I don’t want to have laws passed banning “hate speech”, yet i think as a society we’d be alot better off in the long run without it.
Well jeepers, steve.
It sounds like you DO want to persecute and suppress hate speech as long as it’s the kind coming from Muslims.
PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing Maj Hasan when he started proeseltyzing to patients there.
Of course all that means is he’d eventually wind up going postal somewhere else anyway, I’m guessing.
“PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing Maj Hasan when he started proeseltyzing to patients there”
To say nothing of the presentation he gave citing the stress of being muslim in the military. Several red flags were raised before this guy went off the deep end.
PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing Maj Hasan when he started proeseltyzing to patients there.
PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing Maj Hasan when he started proeseltyzing Islam to patients there.
Fixed. Because I don’t think anyone would take someone seriously if it read, “PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing X when he started proselytizing Christianity to patients there.”
I’m aginst hate speech laws. I want all the nutters of the world to be able to shout their nutty thoughts out loud, so I can tell which ones to give a lot of room.
But I do think you should be fired for hate speech in professional settings. Like treating traumatized psychiatric patients. Military shouldn’t put up with a clown like that.
“Premeditated murder or manslaughter, that type of thing. ”
and those type of determinations should remain. a crime of passion vs a calculated crime should be taken into consideration.
i guess you dont see, monty where crime crime legislation begins the slippery slope to hate speech, then thought crime legislation. if a pastor has a sermon condemning homosexuality, or a broadcaster, under the criminal law of incitement, if something is said in a broadcast that another person uses as a motivation to go out and commit an act of what they call ‘bodily injury’ in the statute, then a broadcaster could be held criminally liable.
the FCC, could develop rules on what broadcasters can and cannot say about homosexuality, possibly jeopardizing their licenses.
hate laws often include verbage about hate speech which is typically defined as phrases deemed to express, either deliberately or unknowingly, hatred or contempt towards a group of people, based on areas such as their ethnic, cultural, religious or sexual identity, or with reference to physical health or mental health. and this speech can be very liberally defined to include any critism of the protected class altogether monty.
i know im not the first one to state it but the freedom of speech clause in the consitution wasnt written to defend popular, polite speech. its there to prohibit the elimination of unpopular, sometimes critical speech. we have to be very careful what we allow to be silenced by governmental edict or in the end vigorous debate concerning important issues will be outlawed.
“Fixed. Because I don’t think anyone would take someone seriously if it read, “PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing X when he started proselytizing Christianity to patients there.”
No you didn’t fix it. I don’t know if anyone does take me seriously, but I wouldn’t want my govt paid shrink telling me to come to Jesus either. That would violate the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment we need to protect and defend.
“Because I don’t think anyone would take someone seriously if it read, “PS I think someone at Walter Reed should be fired for not firing X when he started proselytizing Christianity to patients there.” ”
Good point, Dan.
“t sounds like you DO want to persecute and suppress hate speech as long as it’s the kind coming from Muslims. ”
im mostly just against homicide, bombings, shootings, stonings, subjegation of infidels and women and the like. very intolerant of me, i know.
“i guess you dont see, monty where crime crime legislation begins the slippery slope to hate speech, then thought crime legislation”
Agreed, I don’t. If you’re taking a persons motivation into account in the comission of a crime, you take it all into account. What you see as a slippery slope, I see as the evolution of crime legislation.
“im mostly just against homicide, bombings, shootings, stonings, subjegation of infidels and women and the like”
Sounds like you’re against hate crimes, stevek.
“Sounds like you’re against hate crimes, stevek”
looks like crime , period, without special clauses for the victims
“subjegation of infidels and women and the like”
“looks like crime , period, without special clauses for the victims”
Ok. So what’s with the “infidels and women” part?
“So if you kill someone you caught in bed with your wife, in a fit of jealous rage, is it a less heinous crime than if you kill someone because they are a different color than you and you have genocidal feelings toward them.
That is the question.”
Someone most likely already said this but the crime depending on motivation can be more heinus because you’re actually committing two crimes. One is the actual violence being committed against the victim and the second is the intimidation being put on the community the victim is a part of. Or at least thats the theory. I can see giving the perp time for the violence and then some extra time for the intimidation they ment to inflict.
taxaction with representation, jizra, and slavery for women
aw, man, the humane humans just had to wreck the captive lions’ fun.
Always deciding what’s best for someone else. One of our most unbecoming traits as a species.
After euthanizing the deer, they at least could have given it back to the lions instead of letting all that delicious venison go to waste.
What really bothers me is when some nut climbs into a cage with lions, and the lions get put down for doing what any self respecting lion would do. They shouldn’t have to pay for our stupidity.
Really takes all the fun our of kicking someone’s ass (expressing an “opinion” with your fists) for being a minority, doesn’t it.
If the death penalty hasn’t been able to deter murderers, I doubt anyone willing to hurt someone for being a minority is going to be deterred by special hate crime legislation.
It might actually have the reverse effect, giving those convicted of hate crimes more credibility within their peer groups.
“Paratrooper’s Mom Begs Obama: ‘End It’
Benjamin Sherman Died In Afghanistan Trying To Save Another Soldier”
Oh isn’t this wonder are new very own cindy sheehan.
I will be watching the Major Media and their response to this.
This is a very telling point on Tinys road to the “I told Ya So’s”
Now I wouldn’t care if a Muslim Army shrink was sitting in a mosque one day and one of his patients showed up just then and they prayed together.
Or if a soldier seeks spiritual guidance from a Army chaplain of whatever flavor to help get over their PTSD, I’m OK with that.
But introducing religious prosetylization of whatever faith into psychiatric therapy is pretty not right. Red flag boundary issue.
Even NPR is reporting allegations that the staff at Walter Reed knew something was wrong with Major Hasan and he wasn’t serving patients well and they just didn’t want to do the uphill bureaucratic slog to fire his @ss. But like I suggested, firing him from Walter Reed probably just would have moved a ticking time bomb somewhere else. At least he would have been kept away from traumatized soldiers then. There are some jobs you shouldn’t let crazy people do.
“still be allowed to serve in the military without consequence. while at the same time a person cannot state they are gay.”
stevek, you’re honestly gonna claim this last irony is a result of liberals?
And you’re argumenst seem to imply that there’s an absolute freedom of speech. Never has been, never will be, no matter what side of the political aisle. Ya know…the fire and crowded theater stuff.
I would think with this Hasan deal we should be able to whip up one shadowy figured, digital voice FBI Guy to throw out on the Today show.
Or maybe they can’t get the Camera Guy to do it now that Obama is in office.
What a bunch of BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
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One thing I can say about Olbermann and Maddow you’ll see this cindy sheehan II on their shows before you’ll see it on the Nightly News.
They are wrong 100% of the time but they are true believers. They are not like these Liberal Party frauds I see on these blogs.
“person cannot state they are gay”
Lets remind ourseleves that Mr Obama could walk up to the Microphone today and end this policy.
“Lets remind ourseleves that Mr Obama could walk up to the Microphone today and end this policy.”
You sure about that, t?
You don’t think maybe it would require an act of Congress?
You know off the top of my head I can name for you the top 20 or so Christian Fundamentalist preacher Nutjobs in this country. I can do that not because I attended one of their services or heard it from the neighbors. I know who they are because the Media has “Warned” me of them.
Can anyone of us name the top 20 or so Muslim Fundamentalist Cleric Nutjobs in this country?
“You don’t think maybe it would require an act of Congress?”
No ron you need to pay attention! Clinton don’t ask don’t tell.
Please, and others, before you question Tiny please make sure ( or relatively sure ) that you have PAID ATTENTION to things most of your life.
If you’re not sure look it up.
“No ron you need to pay attention! Clinton don’t ask don’t tell.”
I thought I kinda was paying attention.
Wasn’t don’t ask don’t tell an idea Clinton sold, but a law Congress passed that he signed?
And Obama recently stood up in front of some gay convention and said he would end the policy. However he may just have been plowing sunshine up their butts because but unless Congress puts the bill in fron of him to sign, this dumb policy doesn’t just go away at his will.
I think you should look it up.
Maybe I’ve already looked it up and I’m laughing at you.
Tiny, lets remind ourseleves that this is only an issue because of conservatives.
We’ve got an ordained minister and the chair of the U of M Anthropology dept lining up in the letters section today to take a swing at Katherine’s gay marriage stance.
Strib editors must feel like they’re holding up a pinata.
“Please, and others, before you question Tiny please make sure ( or relatively sure ) that you have PAID ATTENTION to things most of your life”
Ah, but tiny, the things you pay attention to(Olbermanns expression after he asks a question comes to mind) have a distinctly “tiny” perspective about them. I’m afraid the rest of us just can’t be you.
“Strib editors must feel like they’re holding up a pinata”
Actually, I think that’s the point. It’s kinda like Bachmann. Both sell papers in part because people want to see what comes out of their mouth next, if nothing else, for a good chuckle.
“But like I suggested, firing him from Walter Reed probably just would have moved a ticking time bomb somewhere else.”
flying imams
““still be allowed to serve in the military without consequence. while at the same time a person cannot state they are gay.”
stevek, you’re honestly gonna claim this last irony is a result of liberals? ”
i wasnt blaming it on anyone per se, just stating the fact it was, indeed, ironic that you can be an openly proselytizing muslim terrorist and serve in the us military, while an openly gay person cannot.
“And you’re argumenst seem to imply that there’s an absolute freedom of speech.”
im not sure im implying any sort of absolutism here, just that the freedoms we have come to take for granted, the right to state an opinion or make an argument regarding controversial subjects, may be legislated away if recent liberal regressive ideals are turned into law.
EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION:
i am blaming the fact you can be an openly proselytizing muslim terrorist and serve in the us military on liberal regressives.
a result of an infestation of political correctness run amok in the military and the population at large that stops those who ought to know better from doing the right thing do to fear of persecution from regressives and their sympathisers
“They are wrong 100% of the time but they are true believers. They are not like these Liberal Party frauds I see on these blogs. ”
d@mn, ive been out’ed
“i am blaming the fact you can be an openly proselytizing muslim terrorist and serve in the us military on liberal regressives”
Yes, the army is definitely a bastion of liberalism. Bunch of “liberal regressives” top to bottom.
“a result of an infestation of political correctness run amok in the military and the population at large that stops those who ought to know better from doing the right thing do to fear of persecution from regressives and their sympathisers ”
The tin foil hat might stay on better if you get a chin strap for it.
“But I do think you should be fired for hate speech in professional settings. Like treating traumatized psychiatric patients. Military shouldn’t put up with a clown like that.”
You are putting down clowns, Mr dubble underscore. How do you think they feel when they read something like that? I will tell you. They have to go change their make-up from happy face to sad face.
If someone reads Ms Katherine’s column, gets all riled up and punches a gay guy, does Katherine go to the penitentiary?
Leland, no one gets riled up by reading a Katherine gay column. If anything, it’s such old news we fall asleep half way thru it.
“Don’t be afraid. The clown’s afraid too.”
-Chas. Mingus
“If someone reads Ms Katherine’s column, gets all riled up and punches a gay guy, does Katherine go to the penitentiary?”
The question you ask, leland, is very similar to the d2 corollary: if a tree falls in the woods and d2 isn’t around, is it still a liberals fault?
Enquiring minds want to know….
These are all profound points worthy of contemplation. Thank you all.
I remember reading about the gay mob boss. Some of his own men killed him because they were ashamed to have a gay boss. They would now be guilty of both murder and a hate crime for killing the fairy godfather.
If someone places their hand on my buttocks and I push him away, am I guilty of a hate crime if he falls and hits his head?
I think to be on the safe side I would just say, “No problem”, and just let him squeeze my cheek.
This has happened to me zero times in my lifetime, so at this point I am not going to worry about it. My buttocks are not nearly as beautiful as they once were. I think I am safe.
What I wonder is, in the history of football, the first time someone ever slapped a football teammate on the @ss, how did they react?
“Leland, no one gets riled up by reading a Katherine gay column.”
May I introduce you to EBF?
DAR,
Will you be wearing that same UT hat on Saturday?
“What I wonder is, in the history of football, the first time someone ever slapped a football teammate on the @ss, how did they react?”
Since football, with the possible exception of gay sex, is probably the single most homoerotic activity one can engage in, my guess is they exchanged phone numbers.
Not even close. Wrestling is WAAAAAY gayer than football.
“Yes, the army is definitely a bastion of liberalism.”
LOL , im sure there is another logical reason why a major in the military who made a jihadi presentation before his peers, found to be posting so called radical ideas on a blog and known by his superiors to have attempted to, or actually succeeded in, contacting al queda members, gets to keep his position, couldnt be political correctness
pc ensures their concerns that they would be unfairly harrassed, intimidated, called derogatory names, possibly fired and possibly even sued if they attempted to take action.
just like all the laughably feeble minded talking heads twisting themselves in a futile attempt to create excuses for the major and other muslim terrorists.
“Since football, with the possible exception of gay sex, is probably the single most homoerotic activity one can engage in…”
That statement was true BEFORE mixed-martial-arts UFC fighting became popular.
“wearing that same UT hat on Saturday? ”
Yeah Deac, since the headlining act hails from Tennessee, I figured it would be appropriate to wear my UT hat again. I don’t own any cowboy hats.
See you at the show.
“See you at the show.”
It’ll be packed, but Ill keep my eye out for the orange hat.
DAR, did you happen to see that Herb Aplert was at the Dakota?
“Not even close. Wrestling is WAAAAAY gayer than football.”
1) Center bends over and sticks his ass in the QB’s face
2) QB grabs center’s ball
3) QB, depending on what he’s in the mood for, “gives it” to either a)a Tight End, or b) A Wide Receiver.
4) TE/WE takes it up The Middle Stripe because he wants to “get it” in the End Zone.
5) If he gets it in the end zone, all his friends get together and dance with each other.
The also pat each other on the butt a lot.
“pc ensures their concerns that they would be unfairly harrassed, intimidated, called derogatory names, possibly fired and possibly even sued if they attempted to take action”
Gee, and I thought it was because they didn’t want to slog through the interminable army bureaucracy. I had no idea the army is sooooo riddled with liberal regressives. I’m curious, stevek, are you a recent army vet, or are you just able to deduce all this from your computer screen?
Last time I saw III at First Ave, it was a pretty full house, yep. A mosh pit formed during country set.
I hadn’t seen a mosh pit since the mid-90’s.
I did notice Herb Alpert played the Dakota. Not really my cup of tea. That dude is rich as heck though. I just read the other day he is the A in A&M Records. My parents liked those really square New Tijuanna Brass records he made back in the day.
When I go to the Dakota and shell out ridiculous money it’s usually for someone like Roy Haynes or Elvin Jones (RIP). Saw the Bad Plus there once. McCoy Tyner a couple times. I think maybe best ever night for me at the Dakota was Charles Lloyd with Billy Higgins (RIP) about 9 years ago. Got Higgins’ autograph on a drum head. The Heath Brothers too. Talked for a little bit with Percy Heath. He was sh|tfaced but played great nonetheless and was pretty friendly. I’ve had the luck to cross paths with some fairly famous jazz guys.
““You don’t think maybe it would require an act of Congress?””
Ron a perspective you might want to learn from. When Clinton announced the Don’t ask don’t tell Tiny was paying attention ( and it seems you weren’t ) And at that Time Tiny was in his “one liter of Beam” a day period.
All “you’re stupid and I’m not” aside, Trueman ordered the end to segregation in the army. That was outside of a congressional approval. I wasn’t born yet but somehow I know that.
I’m not into Jazz, Man.
“Can anyone of us name the top 20 or so Muslim Fundamentalist Cleric Nutjobs in this country?”
FBI: 10% of U.S. Mosques Preach Jihad
Imams preach jihad and extremism in 10 percent of the 2,000 mosques in the United States, the FBI estimates.
That sums up the problem facing us as we ponder the meaning of Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan’s slayings of 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas. Given his association with a pro-al-Qaida imam in northern Virginia and his preoccupation with radical Islamic Web sites, it’s clear that the radical element of Islam influenced Hasan.
www.newsmax.com/kessler/Mosques_preach_jihad/2009/11/10/284270.html
“I’m curious, stevek, are you a recent army vet, or are you just able to deduce all this from your computer screen? ”
i know all things worth knowing due to sheer brilliance. im also incredibly good looking and have a monster shlong.
i know all things worth knowing due to sheer brilliance. im also incredibly good looking and have a monster shlong.
“You wouldn’t catch me within a hundred yards of a recruiting station.”
Fixed.
good to see you d2, finally someone who doesnt seem like “tommy”
Who was it asking how common abortion coverage was in normal health insurance plans? Apparently it’s pretty common:
The Republican National Committee’s health insurance plan covers elective abortion – a procedure the party’s own platform calls “a fundamental assault on innocent human life.”
Federal Election Commission Records show the RNC purchases its insurance from Cigna. Two sales agents for the company said that the RNC’s policy covers elective abortion.
“good to see you d2, finally someone who doesnt seem like “tommy””
Keep up the good work stevek! America is going down the politically correct soci@list toilet and the lib’s on this blog don’t get it.
“You wouldn’t catch me within a hundred yards of a recruiting station.”
Fixed. ”
your really getting alot of mileage out of that “fixed” thing. glad i could teach you something.
i would be happy to join the army but feel it would be wrong to deprive the demon-crats constituents my $650/wk donation. i shudder at the thought of them having to get jobs or force others to move into their own countries. it would be horrible if terrorists couldnt get foot baths at public universities or have funds available to teach our kindergarden children about why billy has 2 daddy’s.
no, i have to stay privately employed so i can help further the utopian dream under obomunism.
Federal prosecutors Thursday took steps to seize four U.S. mosques and a Fifth Avenue skyscraper owned by a nonprofit Muslim organization long suspected of being secretly controlled by the Iranian government.
n what could prove to be one of the biggest counterterrorism seizures in U.S. history, prosecutors filed a civil complaint in federal court seeking the forfeiture of more than $500 million in assets of the Alavi Foundation and an alleged front company.
The assets include Islamic centers in New York City, Maryland, California and Houston, more than 100 acres (40 hectares) of land in Virginia, and a 36-story office tower in New York.
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan called himself a “soldier of Allah” on business cards found in his apartment after the shooting rampage at Fort Hood in which he is accused of murdering 13 people.
nope, he has nothing to do with islam
“Federal prosecutors Thursday took steps to seize four U.S. mosques and a Fifth Avenue skyscraper owned by a nonprofit Muslim organization long suspected of being secretly controlled by the Iranian government.”
The radical Islamists are trying to destroy us from within, and lib’s seem to be more than happy to help out.
I wouldn’t mind having that football game to click over to once and a while tonight.
Heres where I think Congress should step in and make the NFL have all their games on Regular TV.
I just don’t like the fact that kids from lower income families can’t watch the games. Christ, they can’t afford the tickets.
Plus I believe the network is a bomb ( I’m not sure I really haven’t been paying attention but I was somewhat paying attention because I heard things )
“Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan called himself a “soldier of Allah” on business cards found in his apartment after the shooting rampage at Fort Hood in which he is accused of murdering 13 people.”
What the hell! Government was paying this radical to work for them, and they didn’t see a problem? And they want to take over our healthcare?
“The radical Islamists are trying to destroy us from within, and lib’s seem to be more than happy to help out. ”
id have to disagree slightly d, most regressives arent necessarily trying to help anyone. its just their stupidity that makes them dangerous.
PARIS — French President Nicolas Sarkozy says there is no place for full face and body veils such as the burqa, or for the debasement of women, in France.
Sarkozy says all beliefs will be respected in France but says “becoming French means adhering to a form of civilization, to values, to morals.”
i still cant get over the fact the french get it. they dont cowtow to 7th century barabrism. they arent afraid to draw a line in the proverbial sand and say if you want to live in a civilized country , you need to act civilized.
our regressives on the other hand have drilled it into the peoples heads that it more important not to offend anyone than it is to stand up to and for a principle.
alright kids, id love to stick around to further your educations but i have more coding to do and a server to turn up. ponder todays lessons and ill be back with more tomorrow.
make the bf go away?
Dan, mind yer tags for godssake.
“Ron a perspective you might want to learn from. When Clinton announced the Don’t ask don’t tell Tiny was paying attention ( and it seems you weren’t ) And at that Time Tiny was in his “one liter of Beam” a day period.”
So you missed the part where he signed it into law. It’s OK tiny.
this turn it off?
Nope. What’s the goddamn tag you used Dan? turn it off!
Fixed?
“So you missed the part where he signed it into law. It’s OK tiny.”
Were you out smoking weed in the parking lot the day they taught about executive orders? (I know I was)
I could have sworn that’s how it started and was codified later.
Anyway, Obama could sign one barring further suspensions and send a bill to congress to repeal it.
Who was it asking how common abortion coverage was in normal health insurance plans? Apparently it’s pretty common:
It was Tiny originally but we discussed it more. Not sure I’d take that as proof it’s common. It’s certainly available.
I did get a chance to talk to our HR director and we do not cover elective abortions, just life of mother. She did say it would be quite cheap since 60% of the group couldn’t ever use it.
i still cant get over the fact the french get it. they dont cowtow to 7th century barabrism.
So the French are saying you’re not allowed to dress like you want? The burqa is worn so that women can be more modest. Kind of like how Catholic school girl’s skirts go down to their knees (at least). Yes, as much as those videos on your computer show otherwise, those aren’t real Catholic school girl outfits.
Yes, as much as those videos on your computer show otherwise, those aren’t real Catholic school girl outfits.
Yes the outfits aren’t real. But from my experience the actions are!!
“So the French are saying you’re not allowed to dress like you want? The burqa is worn so that women can be more modest. Kind of like how Catholic school girl’s skirts”
riight, and i guess the shackles on kunte kintae were just fashion accessories …
a real choice when in many muslim countries, mainstream society demands women be covered head to toe or they are beaten, or worse. sounds like real choice. regardless of where its worn its a symbol of female oppression.
In Norway there is now a serious problem with rape, committed mainly by male Muslim immigrants, and the liberals there blame these crimes on their own Norwegian women for the way they dress. It’s all their fault!
Is that why in places like Saudi Arabia where there is no toilet paper, women have to dress from head to toe nail in black Muslim garb revealing only their eyeballs, because the Muslim men can’t control themselves?
“In Norway there is now a serious problem with rape, committed mainly by male Muslim immigrants….”
A statement like that is presented as a fact.
Can you provide proof of your statement?
g !! your alive !!
“Can you provide proof of your statement?”
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The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City. I’ve written about the issue of rape and Muslim immigration so many times that I am, quite frankly, a bit tired of the subject. But as we all know, problems don’t disappear just because you are tired of talking about them, so here goes.
There has been an explosive increase in the number of rape charges in the city of Oslo, but both the media and the authorities consistently refuse to tell us why. They did do so, however, in 2001, when two out of Norway’s three largest newspapers, Aftenposten and Dagbladet, reported that most of these rape charges involve an immigrant perp, which again mostly means Muslims. Both newspapers have since then conveniently “forgotten” about this, and have never connected the issue to Muslim immigration although the number of rape charges has continued to rise to historic levels. They are thus at best guilty of extreme incompetence, since their former articles about this issue are still available online.
Norway’s Minister of Justice from 2001 to 2005, Odd Einar Dørum, mentioned the problem in 2001 but has later gone quiet about the issue. The reported number of rapes in Oslo is now six – 6! – times as high per capita as in New York City, yet the media keeps warning against Islamophobia.
www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754
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Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway—Authorities Look the Other Way:
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1372959/posts
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“…involve an immigrant perp, which again mostly means Muslims.”
Again, there’s no actual statistics. Just more blah, blah, blah ..
And hey, do you think your source might be a bit biased?
The old adage ‘you are what you eat’ comes to mind, but in this case it could be changed to ‘you are what you read’.
Extremism …ugh.
stevek ..
Yep .. unexpected 4 day trip to the docs.
The U of M has a fantastic facility and an excellent stroke team.
I’d recommend it to anyone … except D2 .. I don’t think he’d like the fact that some of the docs and nurses are muslim… (visualize the paranoia .. HA!).
I wish some journalist had sat down with old John Edwards and really given him the “what for”.
For a moment (and only if you where paying attention) remember those series of interviews then look at the interviews this chick from California is getting.
Then for a moment compare their “crimes”. Jesus Christ, come out against gay marriage compared to cheating on your dieing wife and fathering a child and all that while running for President of the United States.
I’m not ready to give up on the fact that I’m the only sane person and everyone else is way hosed up.
Greg you should check that email, brother.
Tiny .. just did ..
I’ll follow up on that request a bit later today.
Greg,
This is from a liberal athiest. Maybe you’ll consider this more credible.
www.stupidevilbastard.com/index/seb/comments/islam_is_the_religion_of_peace_and_love_eh_not_so_much/
It’s nice to have you back by the way!
“Teen trapped with 3 polar bears is rescued on Arctic ice”
So I’ve been hearing these here Polar Bears are starving to death because of melting ice due to Global Warming.
Now here we have a perfectly good meal.
I’ll eat at McDonald’s if I haven’t eaten for a while and its the only place open.
NO..I’d eat Fish heads and Funny Nuts if I’m hungry enough.
This is just not adding up for me.
“I’ll follow up on that request a bit later today.”
Tinys Schedule
Now – 12:00 Working
12:00 – 3:00 Giant Friday afternoon nap
3:00 – 5:00 Gym Baby
5:00 - Getting some action
“So I’ve been hearing these here Polar Bears are starving to death because of melting ice due to Global Warming.”
That’s just one of many Algore inconvenient lies.
“Tinys Schedule
Now – 12:00 Working”
I want your job!
So ..
does the 3-5 mean you’ll be on the phone?
“That’s just one of many Algore inconvenient lies.”
This from an expert on how to lie.
“Were you out smoking weed in the parking lot the day they taught about executive orders? (I know I was)”
Ya, me too. But there is some confusion on whether the President has the authority to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell”. This from The Hill:
“Reid earlier this year suggested using an executive order to change the policy, but the White House has shied away, and said it prefers a “durable legislative solution.”
An executive order could only suspend implementation of the ban, rather than repeal it outright.”
thehill.com/homenews/house/67477-leaders-fix-on-strategy-for-dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal
D2 .. have you considered moving to the current year with your news sources?
I mean, living 4 years ago?
So I see on the morning news (FOX) that the FBI is stating the events at Ft. Hood are not a terror incident.
“Ya, me too. But there is some confusion on whether the President has the authority to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell”. This from The Hill:”
Okay
Trueman in one of the last things he did desegregated the armed forces.
Okay guys 1950 … Congress…..
Now maybe Congress can press the issue but in the end my comment yesterday is 100% absolutely correct.
“So I see on the morning news (FOX) that the FBI is stating the events at Ft. Hood are not a terror incident.”
And Obama has nothing to do with what his Federal agency says….
Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a natural phenomenon caused by volcanoes and is not responsible for climate change, a scientist has claimed.
“We cannot stop carbon emissions because most of them come from volcanoes,” he said. “It is a normal element cycled around in the earth and my science, which is looking back in time, is saying we have had a planet that has been a green, warm wet planet 80 per cent of the time. We have had huge climate change in the past and to think the very slight variations we measure today are the result of our life - we really have to put ice blocks in our drinks.”
In others words “More Ice and More Mix”
“Were you out smoking weed in the parking lot the day they taught about executive orders?”
No the smoking of weed came later for me. I was mostly alert in high school.
tluck may be right that Don’t Ask Don’t Tell started by executive order before Congress made it a law. I don’t know that part.
Seems there is kind of a question mark about whether the Executive can end it alone. One might make the argument even that Obama is just making excuses or passing the buck when he says it’s up to Congress to change it. I’m sure Bush would’ve just gone ahead and ended the policy by Executive fiat, had he been aginst it.
But even though the president is Commander and Chief of the US Military, I don’t know if he can just knock down a law passed by Congress regarding the composition of the military. Even with the semantic dance of suspending not repealing. I can just imagine the howling from the Right if Obama did. Might become a Supreme Court case. Kind of in the gray area of our Constitutional checks and balances between branches of govt.
For what it’s worth I’d like to see the policy ended and the miltary not be concerned with the sexual orientation of its service members.
I’m sticking with the sun activity. But like I said before I’m not sure we know all about the ocean floor.
But then again I’m not a academic.
Plus I saw Al last night on Larry. This guy is insane, not a question.
“Trueman [sic] in one of the last things he did desegregated the armed forces.”
I don’t dispute that but when Truman did that, was there a law on the books mandating that the armed forces be segregated, or was it just tradition he was ending by executive order?
I’m guessing the latter.
“In others words “More Ice and More Mix””
Interesting quote, tiny. Got a link for that? “A scientist” is kinda vague, like Mr Science saying he has a masters degree-in science!
But ron the bottom line is “““You don’t think maybe it would require an act of Congress?”””
Was a incorrect statement and Tiny was right when he said “Lets remind ourseleves that Mr Obama could walk up to the Microphone today and end this policy. ”
Plus being the statement above is true at this point Conservatives have ZERO to do with it.
“So I see on the morning news (FOX) that the FBI is stating the events at Ft. Hood are not a terror incident. ”
Not that it isn’t terrifying when someone goes postal in your midst and shoots a few dozen people.
I think it’s kind of a pointless semantic exercise to argue whether Hasan’s rampage was terrorism or just plain old mayhem.
From wiki on the desegragation of the armed forces:
“In 1948, President Harry S Truman’s Executive Order 9981 ordered the integration of the armed forces shortly after World War II, a major advance in civil rights. Using the Executive Order (E.O.) meant that Truman could bypass Congress. Representatives of the Solid South, all white Democrats, would likely have stonewalled related legislation….At the end of June 1950, the Korean War broke out. The U.S. Army had accomplished little desegregation in peacetime and sent the segregated Eighth Army to defend South Korea. Most black soldiers served in segregated support units in the rear. The remainder served in segregated combat units, most notably the 24th Infantry Regiment. The first months of the Korean War were some of the most disastrous in U.S. military history. The North Korean People’s Army nearly drove the American-led United Nations forces off the Korean peninsula. Faced with staggering losses in white units, commanders on the ground began accepting black replacements, thus integrating their units. The practice occurred all over the Korean battle lines and proved that integrated combat units could perform under fire. The Army high command took notice. On July 26, 1951, the US Army formally announced its plans to desegregate, exactly three years after Truman issued Executive Order 9981.”
wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation
“But ron the bottom line is “““You don’t think maybe it would require an act of Congress?”””
Was a incorrect statement ”
It was a (rhetorical) question not a statement. Obviously you don’t think it would require an act of Congress. Since this involves a law on the books I think it does. Turns out there are lots of people who think the same way as you. Whether that makes you objectively correct would require a background in philosophy to address. I know I don’t think 50 million Elvis fans are wrong.
But I for one don’t like the idea of setting a precedent for Presidents arbitrarily changing laws, even though I think this particular law is stupid…
“I think it’s kind of a pointless semantic exercise to argue whether Hasan’s rampage was terrorism or just plain old mayhem. ”
Other than it fuels idiots to make others paranoid ..
“. Since this involves a law on the books”
There was no LAW on the books. Its a Military thing. The military is a government within itself.
There is no law on the books which reflects the “Don’t ask Don’t tell” policy. Its just that policy
And Ron I’m not thinking anyway. I’m just stating that Obama could end that policy this afternoon.
Stop blaming Republicans and Conservatives for things they don’t have any power over now.ZERO
Power over.
None
Funny that the military didn’t really obey Truman’s order until necessity gave them a reason three years later.
And DAR ..
I’m just waiting for the troll to admit that his rants of it being ‘islamic terrorism’ were all wrong …
“Using the Executive Order (E.O.) meant that Truman could bypass Congress.”
See in order to prevent himself from looking like a dumb@ss Ron, montty did his research ( he didn’t know it off the top of his head like Tiny did ) before he shot off his mouth.
Good Job Montty
“There was no LAW on the books. Its a Military thing. The military is a government within itself.”
I guess I must be hallucinating the existence of TITLE 10, Subtitle A, PART II, CHAPTER 37, § 654 of the US Code.
law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/654.html
Or the part of the Constitution that grants Congress the power to determine the makeup of our armed forces.
I’ll just have to trust the infallibilty of tiny’s perception.
“Funny that the military didn’t really obey Truman’s order until necessity gave them a reason three years later”
I think this is the situation O wants to avoid. Rather than grandstand, he wants it done the right way, through legislation. An EO is more of an end-around the Congress, backdoor legislating from the executive branch, and we all saw enough of that from the previous administration.
That’s my take on it anyway….
“I think it’s kind of a pointless semantic exercise to argue whether Hasan’s rampage was terrorism or just plain old mayhem.”
Not true. We can do something about radical Islamists such as preventing them from entering the country and spreading their hate, but mental illness is harder to isolate and deal with. The Fort Hood Jihadist killed in the name of Allah, and has the same views as what 10% of the Mosques in America spew.
Ron I don’t think a congressional approval is needed. In fact I know it isn’t.
Thats the bottom line of my comment the other day. I believe the person was blaming “this and that” no not allowing gays to serve openly.
“ntering the country and spreading their hate, but mental illness is harder to isolate and deal with.”
HAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Pot .. meet kettle.
“Stop blaming Republicans and Conservatives for things they don’t have any power over now…”
Actually I blame the Democratic controlled Congress for not ending Don’t ask Don’t Tell. Why haven’t Pelosi and Reid given Obama a law to sign rescinding the policy (which is codifed in law unless of course tiny says it isn’t)? They’ve had 10 months of a big majority and a sympathetic Executive and no action on this.
Personally I think they’re triangulating. The liberal lawmakers may find Don’t Ask Don’t tell detestable, but they have this nagging sense that 51% of the electorate is still squeamish about homosexuality and they don’t want to come out too strong on the gay side of any issue. Even if they know it would be the righteous thing to do.
Comrade Fidel Castro has Man Crush on Barack Hussein Obama:
www.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_political_junkie
h**p://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_political_junkie
“Pot .. meet kettle.”
Please explain yourself Mister.
“Please explain yourself Mister”
I think maybe he’s implying you’re psychotic, Dare2 buddy.
No idea why someone would conclude that from the content of your incessant blog posts (smirk).
Hey Greg.
Welcome back.
Glad to hear you’re still in the fight.
Where’s GO these days?
“im also incredibly good looking and have a monster shlong”.
A monster shlong - green with reptillian bumps all over it.
“Where’s GO these days?”
Is he incarcerated?
“I think maybe he’s implying you’re psychotic, Dare2 buddy.”
Uh huh.
“Glad to hear you’re still in the fight.
Where’s GO these days? ”
Thanks. We really do have some great docs in this state .. some even wear turbans.
Mr. GO is on a mission presently but is in good spirits …
“Is he incarcerated? ”
Considering that’s most likely where you’d end up does not mean it will happen to other folks.
Still have those permanent rooms in Willmar and St. Peter?
“Obama Promises Strategy, Clear Mission, Public Support For Troops”
How does a president promise Public Support.
Does he mean like this new Cindy Sheehan II not getting any air time.
“Why haven’t Pelosi and Reid given Obama a law to sign rescinding the policy (which is codifed in law unless of course tiny says it isn’t)? They’ve had 10 months of a big majority and a sympathetic Executive and no action on this.”
to clarify slightly, the dems have held both house and senate since after the elections in ‘06. they have had plenty of time to draft numerous proposals near and dear to the liberal heart.
of course they had the excuse that bush could possibly veto unwelcome proposals, but dar is correct, there is absolutely no excuse for them to be slighting their constituents for the last 10 months. save perhaps, which i believe, gross incompetance.
“A monster shlong - green with reptillian bumps all over it. ”
are you claiming to have been looking at my shlong ??
“are you claiming to have been looking at my shlong ?? ”
So many admirers .. so little ammo.
“So many admirers”
its a terrible affliction, isnt it ?
“its a terrible affliction, isnt it ? ”
Especially when going in for surgery …
and you’re nekkid.
“We really do have some great docs in this state .. some even wear turbans.”
I like people from India as well. I’ve been to India and seen how friendly and peaceful the people are.
Well, I see someone finally took Govenor No to court over unallotment. About time, too, TPaw was ‘way over the line on that one. Given the deficit we already face, a court reversal would have massive consequences for state finances.
www.startribune.com/politics/state/69984322.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ
“I like people from India as well. I’ve been to India and seen how friendly and peaceful the people are. ”
Just like many muslim people including those who were in the surgery room with me ..
and the nurses who helped me recover …
There are exceptions .. but for the most part ..
people are good…
all people.
www.theonion.com/content/news/group_of_popular_girls_reduces
I had no idea we were being mocked!
People should be outraged!
“people are good…
all people.”
For the most part, but we need to start paying attention to some cultures more than others. The fact that 10% of Mosques in America preach Islamic terrorist Jihad tells us that their is a flaw in that culture, and we shouldn’t import it here until they resolve it. We have already seen a strong terror link with the Somali community which floods to Minnesota daily for our liberal welfare benefits.
I’m happy you’re feeling good enough to attack me Greg!
look DJ!
I finally found a picture of D2 with his hetero family watching tv ..
www.theonion.com/content/news/alternate_universe_sci_fi_channel
D2 must wear a wig when he’s watching the tube ..
“I’m happy you’re feeling good enough to attack me Greg! ”
I’m helping you .. really.
Your link doesn’t work very well Liberal Greg.
I finally found a picture of D2 with his hetero family watching tv
Heehee… must have been taken 15 years ago. That guy is too young.
Glad to see you’re still ticking Greg. I was afraid we were going to get a message from Mrs. 63 saying Mr. 63 is no longer with us.
How’s the health? You seem to be in good spirits, which is awesome.
D2 must wear a wig when he’s watching the tube ..
HA!!! Perfect.
Good to see you back Greg. I was worried one of Dtrolls posts might have hit “Puree” on the “blender”.
Your link doesn’t work very well Liberal Greg
Maybe you’re not very good at clicking.
“I’m helping you .. really.”
Supporting soci@lism isn’t helping anyone but unions, government employees, illegal aliens, and Islamists.
“How’s the health? You seem to be in good spirits, which is awesome.”
You’ve gotta stop lighting up the heaters Greg. You’re 2 a day plan won’t cut it.
Maybe you’re not very good at clicking.
Obviously, worked fine for me.
“Supporting soci@lism isn’t helping anyone but unions, government employees, illegal aliens, and Islamists. ”
No, I’m trying to help you discover sanity ..
“You’ve gotta stop lighting up the heaters Greg. You’re 2 a day plan won’t cut it. ”
Doc ain’t worried about it .. at my rate it doesn’t really cause issues but I’ll probably stop that in time ..
DJ .. tluck .. thanks guys.
Health is .. well, what it is. Ain’t perfect but at least they know exactly what’s going on and can stop any further damage.
This is great news ..
for Greg!
are you claiming to have been looking at my shlong ??
Steve, I don’t need to see it to know about it. You’re a computer guy, it’s
safe to assume it’s in pristine, unused condition.
“Maybe you’re not very good at clicking. ”
clickexia?
This is great news ..
for Greg!
Are you implying it’s bad news for the rest of us? Or is the Missus disappointed? Just kidding. :)
“You’re a computer guy, it’s
safe to assume it’s in pristine, unused condition.”
Unlike Barney Frank’s which is full of liberal crap.
“Supporting soci@lism isn’t helping anyone but…
Should we try and count the number of public services you currently enjoy?
“Should we try and count the number of public services you currently enjoy?”
Government is there for a reason Downtown Dem, but the reason isn’t to take over the private sector which Obama and his democrat soci@list party are trying to accomplish.
“Steve, I don’t need to see it to know about it. ”
so what are you some kind of shlong psychic ?? you can see visions of shlongs ? do they cum to you in your dreams ?? do you dream about my shlong ? maybe other men’s shlongs as well ??
“Unlike Barney Frank’s which is full of liberal crap. ”
omg that is a very disturbing picture …
“omg that is a very disturbing picture … ”
Yes, and what’s more disturbing is that D2 seems to dwell on it ..
hmmm?
so what are you some kind of shlong psychic ??
I believe he is.
Yes, and what’s more disturbing is that D2 seems to dwell on it ..
Well that puts a whole new meaning to the word “dwell”!
Glencoe Silver Lake 6 DeLasale 3 in OT ..
THAT was a heckuva game.
“omg that is a very disturbing picture … ”
My apologies. Hopefully I didn’t ruin anyones dinner last night with that remark.
so what are you some kind of shlong psychic ?? you can see visions of shlongs ? do they cum to you in your dreams ?? do you dream about my shlong ? maybe other men’s shlongs as well ??
I just know computer guys. It’s hard to get laid when wearing a short sleeve dress shirt and pants that are hiked up to the nipples.
Well, I might just have to rethink all this Global Warming stuff.
Alaska’s glaciers grew this year, after shrinking for most of the last 200 years. The reason? Global temperatures dropped over the past 18 months.
h - ttp://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5851
Alaska’s glaciers growing? What about eles where in the world?
Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society’s Journal of Climate reported, “Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame.”
www.allamericanblogger.com/137/i-thought-the-debate-was-over/
Hmmm… Glaciers growing in Alaska, Glaciers growing in the Himalayas.
Must rethink position…. because these “experts” would NEVER cherry pick their information, would they?
www.grid.unep.ch/glaciers/img/5-1.jpg
I’m shocked.
“Glaciers growing in Alaska, Glaciers growing in the Himalayas.”
Thanks for pointing that out D.T.
Well, I might just have to rethink all this Global Warming stuff.
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My apologies. Hopefully I didn’t ruin anyones dinner last night with that remark.
Which is why I waited until now to present the image of D2 tongue-punching Barney Frank clean of all liberal crap.
“Which is why I waited until now to present the image of D2 tongue-punching Barney Frank clean of all liberal crap. ”
The truth is sometimes the worst image of all ..
“Which is why I waited until now to present the image of D2 tongue-punching Barney Frank clean of all liberal crap.”
Now THAT’S disgusting! Butt funny!
“I just know computer guys. It’s hard to get laid when wearing a short sleeve dress shirt and pants that are hiked up to the nipples. ”
nah, your thinking about windows click and droolers us nix guys are more like richard stallman
Thanks for pointing that out D.T.
Say’s the Cherry Pick King.
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Says the Black Helicopter King.
Say’s the Cherry Pick King.
Says the Black Helicopter King.
Says the Carnival Barker.
Greg, when I brought up MSN a few minutes ago, it showed my horiscope, thought you mught enjoy it:
Aquarius
January 20 - February 18
Secure your bunker and make sure it is fully stocked with heavy artillery because there is bound to be a battle, dear Aquarius. Trust that you need to be fully prepared in order to enter into the fight today because you do. There are some battles that you actually like - the ones that get things rolling and that produce results. It will soon become clear which type this is.
Okay .. that’s funny.
Thanks for sharing that one D2!
Says the Carnival Barker.
I don’t get it, but it makes me laugh anyways.
Go Vikes! So glad the bye week is done. Although it’s basically 2 bye weeks in a row…
“Go Vikes! So glad the bye week is done. Although it’s basically 2 bye weeks in a row… ”
Maybe second stringers will get to play the second half after the Lion’s are blown out in the first.
I don’t get it,
He’s saying he thinks science is just like the circus. I think it’s funny too.
He’s saying he thinks science is just like the circus.
Sorry Danno, that post was all about you.
Katherine, Katherine, you lovably confused gerbil. Marriage is solely about procreation and furthering the population? Holy silly and smugly self-serving redefinition of marriage, Batman!
I suppose there’s no need for childless couples to marry, in that case, right? Especially not older couples who have no intention to have children? You can go on about the potential of adopting until you’re blue in the face, but plenty of people do not want children. I suppose they shouldn’t marry. And I suppose there are no economic incentives for marriage either.
I also enjoyed your little foray into rewriting history–are you really incapable of thinking of a single culture that deviated from the present one man/one woman model? Biblical times? Ancient Rome? Present-day Saudi Arabia? Why aren’t multiple wives in your master plan for marriage? The tradition of men marrying more than one woman is far older than your one/one definition. No? The overwhelming history of polygamy as “natural” doesn’t fit?
Imagine that.
birth defect diseases
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