Can liberation lead to less happiness?
October 3rd, 2009 – 5:28 PM“The progress of women over recent decades has been extraordinary,” write researchers at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School in a much-discussed new study.
“The gender wage gap has partly closed,” they continue. “[Women’s] educational attainment has risen and is now surpassing that of men; women have gained an unprecedented level of control over fertility; technological change in the form of new domestic appliances has freed women from domestic drudgery; and women’s freedoms within both the family and market sphere have expanded.”
No news here, you may say. We all know that women’s opportunities have grown exponentially in the last 40 years, as stereotypes of every kind have been tossed in the cultural dumpster.
But wait. Read on:
“Yet … measures of subjective well-being indicate that women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women’s declining relative well-being … is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries.”
Pundits are scratching their heads over the new Wharton study, called “The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness.” Its message about women’s growing misery is especially startling because in the 1970s, the “happiness” gender gap ran the other way — with women consistently reporting being more satisfied with their lives than men, the authors say.
Why this flip-flop on happiness by the most fortunate generation of women in history? Why have progress and liberation on every front — educational, professional and sexual — left many women in a funk?
Old-guard feminists have a party-line explanation: the “second shift.” That’s the idea that women bear a double burden because as they moved into the paid workforce, they still had to do the lion’s share of the work at home.
Sorry, the data don’t bear this out, according to the Wharton study. Since 1965, it says, men and women have experienced relatively equal declines in total hours worked. Women are working more hours in the market but significantly fewer at home, while men are working fewer hours in the market and more at home.
What does seem certain is that the path to liberation and expanded opportunity has entailed some unsettling tradeoffs.
Take the sexual revolution. In 1970, women on my college campus began sporting T-shirts declaring that “A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.” In their eyes, marriage and family were a ball and chain — more likely to bring women bondage than fulfillment. To find happiness and an authentic identity, they insisted, women would have to cast off social convention and obligations to others and “explore” their sexuality without restraint.
But this philosophy had a catch: men began to embrace it too. Encouraged by women, many men began to back away from the responsibilities and burdens of marriage and fatherhood and to join enthusiastically in the sexual free-for-all. Increasingly, they came to view women as sex objects — the very thing feminists had claimed to want to avoid — rather than as long-term partners in the common enterprise of family.
We know what followed: Marriage and family began to unravel. The divorce rate doubled between the mid-1960s and mid-1970s. Today, no one of either sex can count on marriage or family for the social support we need to get through life’s inevitable challenges. But women and children — more vulnerable — have paid the biggest price.
Women’s quest for happiness in the work world also brought tradeoffs. In the 1970s and ’80s, many women, long shut out from high-powered careers, confidently sought freedom and fulfillment from a shiny briefcase and a VP nameplate on the office door. Success brought financial self-sufficiency and a fuller stage for the use of talents.
But the search for identity in the work world also brought disappointment. As women pinned their hopes for happiness on professional careers, they began to discover the mixed bag their male counterparts knew too well: the pressure to produce, the outright drudgery, the risk of failure, the boss from hell. For some, the process may have shed light on why men have traditionally died at a younger age.
Maybe we women got the whole happiness thing backwards. Years ago, we assured ourselves of a golden road ahead if we could throw off all that had tied us down and limited our options in the past. But perhaps there was something in those ties themselves — those “prisons” of family, marriage and other fundamental obligations — that had the power to bring us closer to our true goal.
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What hath the misbegotten liberation movement wrought?
Calamitous societal degradation is what.
From the report “The Taxpayer Costs of Divorce and Unwed Childbearing”:
“EACH YEAR, FAMILY FRAGMENTATION costs American taxpayers at least $112 billion dollars. These costs are recurring—that is, they are incurred each and every year—meaning that the decline of marriage costs American taxpayers more than $1 trillion dollars over a decade. These costs are due to increased taxpayer expenditures for antipoverty, criminal justice and school nutrition programs, and through lower levels of taxes paid by individuals whose adult productivity has been negatively influenced by growing up in poverty caused by family fragmentation. This figure represents a minimum or “lower-bound” estimate. If, as research suggests is likely, marriage has additional economic and social benefits to children, adults, and communities—benefits that reduce the need for government services and that operate through mechanisms other than increased income—then the actual taxpayer costs of the retreat from marriage are likely much higher.”
Didaskalos, the answer is obvious: a constitutional amendment banning divorce! As a legally single person, I can’t wait to vote for it — especially because it won’t apply to me, nor will my life change so much as a molecule because of it!
two things…really, though, what exactly is that one true goal? I mean, since you are apparently the voice for women everywhere…and, it’s kind of ironic and rather hypocritical that you are preaching the destructiveness of women’s liberation via your very public, paid job as a newspaper columnist; a job you would not have if were not for the women’s movement. If this is really how you feel, then perhaps you should just stay home and tend to your chores, eh?
Hi, all,
You will, I hope, forgive a long quotation. This is from an essay “The Emancipation of Domesticity” in the book What’s Wrong With the World” by G. K. Chesterton, published in 1910.
…the same natural operation [of childbearing] surrounded her with very young children, who require no be taught not so much anything as everything. Babies need not to be taught a trade, but to be introduced to the world. To put the matter shortly, woman is generally shut up in a house with a human being at a time when he asks all the questions that there are, and some that there aren’t. It would be odd if she retained any of the narrowness of a spécîalist. Now if anyone says that this duty of general enlightenment (even when freed from modern rules and hours, and exercised more spontaneously by a more protected person) is in itself too exacting and oppressive, I can understand the view. I can only answer that our race has thought it worth while to cast this burden on women in order to keep common-sense in the world. But when people begin to talk about this domestic duty as not merely difficult but trivial and dreary, I simply give up the question. For I cannot with the utmost energy of imagination conceive what they mean. When domesticity, for instance, is called drudgery, all the difficulty arises from a double meaning in the word. If drudgery only means dreadfully hard work, I admit the woman drudges in the home, as a man might drudge at the Cathedral of Amiens or drudge behind a gun at Trafalgar. But if it means that the hard work is more heavy because it is trifling, colorless and of small import to the soul, then as I say, I give it up; I do not know what the words mean. To be Queen Elizabeth within a definite area, deciding sales, banquets, labors and holidays; to be Whiteley within a certain area, providing toys, boots, sheets, cakes and books, to be Aristotle within a certain area, teaching morals, manners, and hygiene; I can understand how this might exhaust the mind, but I cannot imagine how it would narrow it. How can it be a large career to tell other people’s children about the Rule of Three, and a small career to tell one’s own children about the universe? How can it be broad to be the same thing to everyone, and narrow to be everything to someone? No; a woman’s function is laborious, but because it is gigantic, not because it is minute. I will pity Mrs. Jones for the hugeness of her task; I will never pity her for its smallness.
FC ..
My comprehension is really lacking right now but what I think I read is that the role of a mother far exceeds any role imagineable and needs to be honored.
I’m not a big fan of Chesterson, but on this point I fully agree.
Strangely enough, it’s also why I couldn’t consider the McCain ticket ..
his running mate had far greater duties to attend to.
FC,
Thank-you.
You nailed it!
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The massive illegal invasion is costing taxpayers tons of dough. Maybe if we did something about it, taxes would be lower and wive’s wouldn’t have to enter the workforce to help their husbands.
“The massive illegal invasion is costing taxpayers tons of dough. Maybe if we did something about it, taxes would be lower and wive’s wouldn’t have to enter the workforce to help their husbands. ”
Or people wouldn’t buy wood splitters and instead use the money wisely so their wives wouldn’t have to work.
Better yet ..
people would learn that family is more important than stuff.
“Or people wouldn’t buy wood splitters and instead use the money wisely”
My wife loves that wood splitter Greg. She just loves getting comfortable by a nice warm fire.
Plus Greg, I’m doing an environmental good deed by removing and burning diseased oak wilt trees.
Bravo Former Carrier!
Chesterton also refered to modern woman as the great amateur for giving up rule of the home to play second fiddle in a world of men. (my paraphrasing)
It begs the question: what did men give up to have her there ?
But one word leaped off the page in Katherines article. That word is ‘identity’. Without one we are lost. With the wrong one we are confused.
Maybe with the right one we have order.
There’s nothing like splitting wood with an axe …. good for the soul and makes the fire even better.
Must just be my common sense that tells me hard honest work pays ..
“Without one we are lost.
I agree
With the wrong one we are confused.”
There is no “wrong” one.
It’s an individual decision.
“There’s nothing like splitting wood with an axe ….”
Best high ever!!!
Hi, all,
Thanks for the kind words.
I have a theory that if every woman with little kids, who wanted to stay home with them, just up and walked out of the work force, it would make such a labor shortage that employers would have to raise wages (because workers could pick and choose), and one income would once again provide for a family.
I have asked a few of the women I know who have small children, and they all have said that if they could manage it, they wouldn’t work. (I grant you this is only anecdotal evidence.)
FC, interesting theory about the workplace. Would you include fathers who wish to stay at home and raise their kids, thereby allowing women you don’t honor motherhood at the sole role they should honor? I liked Chesterton’s message, but I wonder what dangers we would create if we enforced this belief. Margaret Atwood wrote about the potential dystopia of praising women’s role as mothers (or at least their capacity to bear children) as their sole worth in The Handmaid’s Tale (I know it should be italicized, but I don’t know how and don’t want to mess with the HTML code).
What concerns me most about KK’s article - aside from her continued use of fallacious logic, in this case, the either-or and hasty generality - is that she ignores the role of the father as a caregiver. She implies that the change in the traditional paradigm (whatever one she imagines it to be) has made women unhappy but doesn’t deal with fathers who have now taken a more active role in raising their children, nurturing them instead of being the distant, working disciplinarian. I can’t wait to be a father, and I would jump at the chance to make that my primary responsibility. I just need heath care as my husband’s job does not provide it for me.
“…her continued use of fallacious logic, in this case, the either-or and hasty generality…”
Never ask Katherine to paint the trim on your house. The only brush she knows how to use is a foot wide. Plus she insists on using only black and white paint.
“Never ask Katherine to paint the trim on your house. The only brush she knows how to use is a foot wide. Plus she insists on using only black and white paint. ”
Wouldn’t that make the paint get mixed together alot?
or would you just leave blank space in between and not worry about it?
When I hear the left screaming now about getting out of Afghanistan I just wonder about the thousands of woman who will be returned to servitude after we leave. I guess that doesn’t bother them
“woman who will be returned to servitude”
The Great man himself returning woman to second class citizens.
Taliban restrictions and mistreatment of women include the:
1- Complete ban on women’s work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.
2- Complete ban on women’s activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).
3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.
4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.
5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls’ schools into religious seminaries.)
6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.
7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.
8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.
9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).
10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).
11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.
12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman’s voice).
13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman’s footsteps.)
14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.
15- Ban on women’s presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.
16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.
17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.
18- Ban on women’s wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are “sexually attracting colors.”
19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.
20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.
21- Modification of all place names including the word “women.” For example, “women’s garden” has been renamed “spring garden”.
22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.
24- Ban on male tailors taking women’s measurements or sewing women’s clothes.
25- Ban on female public baths.
26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated “males only” (or “females only”).
27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.
28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.
29- Ban on women’s pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.
Apart from the above restrictions on women, the Taliban has:
- Banned listening to music, not only for women but men as well.
- Banned the watching of movies, television and videos, for everyone.
- Banned celebrating the traditional new year (Nowroz) on March 21. The Taliban has proclaimed the holiday un-Islamic.
- Disavowed Labor Day (May 1st), because it is deemed a “communist” holiday.
- Ordered that all people with non-Islamic names change them to Islamic ones.
- Forced haircuts upon Afghan youth.
- Ordered that men wear Islamic clothes and a cap.
- Ordered that men not shave or trim their beards, which should grow long enough to protrude from a fist clasped at the point of the chin.
- Ordered that all people attend prayers in mosques five times daily.
- Banned the keeping of pigeons and playing with the birds, describing it as un-Islamic. The violators will be imprisoned and the birds shall be killed. The kite flying has also been stopped.
- Ordered all onlookers, while encouraging the sportsmen, to chant Allah-o-Akbar (God is great) and refrain from clapping.
- Ban on certain games including kite flying which is “un-Islamic” according to Taliban.
- Anyone who carries objectionable literature will be executed.
- Anyone who converts from Islam to any other religion will be executed.
- All boy students must wear turbans. They say “No turban, no education”.
- Non-Muslim minorities must distinct badge or stitch a yellow cloth onto their dress to be differentiated from the majority Muslim population. Just like what did Nazis with Jews.
- Banned the use of the internet by both ordinary Afghans and foreigners.
Anybody else see this Christopher McCandless thing. What an idoit but people seem to love a smart idoit
not sure what news blurb you’re responding to, but there’s a book and a movie about McCandless, tiny.
Into the Wild
I like going into wilderness but I like having some modicum of preparation and then coming back out alive. I think McCandless was fatally naive.
I was just thinking today that I would rather be sitting on a mountaintop somewhere right now rather than in this beige fabric cube.
“I like going into wilderness but I like having some modicum of preparation and then coming back out alive. I think McCandless was fatally naive.”
I know, so thats reason for Sean Penn to make a movie of this guy.
A college kid with a perfectly good life ahead of him walks into the woods without the basic skills to survive.
A movie about a “nonconforming genius who is an idiot”
Hell that’s me…thats me…..
“Can liberation lead to less happiness?”
If your answer’s “yes” KK, then your party’s got lots of ’splaining to do about this Iraq war thing.
“I was just thinking today that I would rather be sitting on a mountaintop somewhere right now rather than in this beige fabric cube.”
I was just thinking today that I would rather be eating a cheeseburger tonight at home then eating “Butt-O-Squirrel” after I come down from the mountaintop.
Hi, all,
bdaniel asked me at 6:13 am: “Would you include fathers who wish to stay at home and raise their kids, thereby allowing women you don’t honor motherhood at the sole role they should honor?”
Sure, why not? I’ve seen families where it works well that way, especially when the wife has greater earning potential then the husband and both husband and wife like the arrangement.
“I wonder what dangers we would create if we enforced this belief.”
Why enforce it, or even try? Families are going to make what arrangements they want for income and child-rearing, and I don’t see it as my business — much less any government’s business! — to dictate to them what they should do (except of course in extreme cases of neglect or abuse).
“Margaret Atwood wrote about the potential dystopia of praising women’s role as mothers (or at least their capacity to bear children) as their sole worth.”
Just on what you’ve said here, I would tend to agree. A woman’s worth is far more than her ability to bear, nurse, and nurture children. I’m convinced in my old age that women think differently than we men do, and I’ve learned that my sisters, women friends and neighbors, for instance, will often have an idea on a situation that I never would have thought of; and many times the woman’s idea will work better than mine. That’s only one example of why I cherish the ladies in my life — sisters, friends, neighbors.
My wife’s reaction to Katherine’s column as we sat and read the Sunday paper yesterday was,
“Why won’t she just leave us alone?”
“I was just thinking today that I would rather be eating a cheeseburger tonight at home then eating “Butt-O-Squirrel” after I come down from the mountaintop. ”
My recipe for campfire coffee was, you take your metal coffee pot, fill near the top with cold water, and float the coffee grounds on top. Put the pot on the fire and just as soon as it comes to a boil and the grounds roll under, pull it off the fire and knock on the side of the pot to help the grounds settle out. I bet if I made some in my back yard tomorrow morning it would taste fairly terrible. Yet 4 days out in the BWCA on a chilly morning with mist on the water as the sun rises, that’s a damn fine cup a joe.
I think our tangent about Into the Wild boy has some relevance to Katherine’s topic, really.
I don’t think it would make Women in general happier to go back to the good old pre 1960’s days of being undereducated stay-at-home moms who would face an enormous social stigma if they tried to divorce abusive husbands. The issue of modern ennui goes deeper than that.
Since our primate ancestors mutated and grew big brains and became human, we spent maybe 1,990,000 years trekking around in the wilderness as migratory nomad hunter-gatherers and maybe 10,000 years developing highly complex societies where we’re rooted to one spot and the things we do to survive are an abstraction from actual survival.
What do you think we’re wired to be happier doing?
“There’s nothing like splitting wood with an axe …. good for the soul and makes the fire even better.”
Good for the soul, but bad for the back.
“Or people wouldn’t buy wood splitters and instead use the money wisely so their wives wouldn’t have to work.
Better yet ..
people would learn that family is more important than stuff.”
Greg, it would take me 10 times as long to split it by hand, wasting time I could be spending with my family.
it would take me 10 times as long to split it by hand, wasting time I could be spending with my family.
Get the kids out there to help you. What’s the point of having children if you’re not going to subject them to slave labor?
“Greg, it would take me 10 times as long to split it by hand, wasting time I could be spending with my family. ”
It would probably go faster if you didn’t wear high heels and a dress.
You’d also be kinder to the environment if you’d not use that gas engine.
Quite frankly .. I don’t think you know how to cut wood with an axe do you.
“Get the kids out there to help you. What’s the point of having children if you’re not going to subject them to slave labor?”
Good point. My 7 year old gets board after about 20 minutes though and wants to ride his bike. Maybe next year!
“Good point. My 7 year old gets board after about 20 minutes though and wants to ride his bike. Maybe next year! ”
To quote my father …
‘Get your chores done and then you can ride your bike. You think you’re going to be able to do whatever you want all your life then you’re on the wrong planet’
“It would probably go faster if you didn’t wear high heels and a dress.”
Greg, that was the guy who moved in with the neighbor gal after she and her lesbian partner had a domestic, and the one who threatened to shoot the horses had to leave. I didn’t see it, but one of my neighbors saw this guy (large Adam’s apple) mowing the lawn in high heel’s and a blue dress using a push mover.
You must remember me bringing that story up a while ago Greg, good memory!
“You must remember me bringing that story up a while ago Greg, good memory! ”
No. My memory is toast.
What I’m well aware of is that you are fond of dressing in women’s clothing.
I’m not able to cut/paste from FC’s comment up above, but I think working mothers that are married HAVE to work because they have become accustomed to a lifestyle that needs their income in order to make ends meet.
Most families have two vehicles, a really nice house (big mortgage), toys they cannot live without, vacation plans they think they need and to have all these things both partners need to be working.
This is coming from a person that lived in a one income, one vehicle household (drove partner to work on days I needed the car), a modest dwelling, no toys, and non-existant vacations when I was married.
My kids learned to live without a lot of frills.
Today, kids need a computer (even little ones are on a computer now), a Blackberry, some kind of hand held game, instant food to go into the microwave to eat for supper. There’s more I’m sure.
“instant food to go into the microwave to eat for supper”
That Chef Boyardee® Caviar isn’t bad.
Hi, all,
“they have become accustomed to a lifestyle that needs their income in order to make ends meet.”
iamme, that’s a very very good point! I see some of that among my young neighbors; not much, but some.
Hi again, all,
“I don’t think it would make Women in general happier to go back to the good old pre 1960’s days of being undereducated stay-at-home moms who would face an enormous social stigma if they tried to divorce abusive husbands. The issue of modern ennui goes deeper than that.”
d_a_r, granted things were quite different when I was a kid, but I think you’re over-generalizing a wee bit here.
Ms Katherine, When the washing machine replaced the scrubboard, everything went to hell. Please ask your husband to buy you a scrubboard. Get rid of the washing machine.
“but I think you’re over-generalizing a wee bit here”
My mom was a college grad. So were all my aunts, and all my “other mothers” in the neighborhood. They put their specific talents to good use nurturing us, and more importantly, colluding in thwarting our best plans!
leland8, I had a female cousin (a little older than me) that was so GLAD when the washing machine got invented.
She was so glad she wouldn’t have to continue washing clothes using a scrub board.
Ms iamme, Yes, she thought she was happy, but for many a woman it was a slippery slope. Once liberated from the scrubboard, a woman could easily become addicted to this liberation stuff. Soon she was burning her bra and talking about fish riding bicycles.
“slippery slope”
from soap?
Ms Katherine wants to return to pre-liberation days. I favor this, but I feel very strongly that Ms. Katherine is not going back far enough.
Women must return to the scrubboard. The scrubboard is symbolic of pre-liberation. For women like Ms. Katherine, returning to the scrubboard would be a return to true happiness.
Ms iamme, Yes indeed. That soapy, slippery slope of the scrubboard was so easy to slide off of. How far women have slid since sliding off the scrubboard. So sad.
“Women must return to the scrubboard. The scrubboard is symbolic of pre-liberation. For women like Ms. Katherine, returning to the scrubboard would be a return to true happiness. ”
Hence the beginning of the scrubboard party.
Mr Greg, Would this be like Tupperware or Magic Chef? Is this like a multi-level marketing business? With scrubboards? I don’t think women should be involved in any form of commerce. We have all suffered the consequences of that. We must return to a happier less liberated time.
Although we do not share the same perspective on every issue, has anyone ever noticed the common philosophical threads that bond Ms Katherine, myself and the Taliban?
“Mr Greg, Would this be like Tupperware or Magic Chef? Is this like a multi-level marketing business? With scrubboards? I don’t think women should be involved in any form of commerce. We have all suffered the consequences of that. We must return to a happier less liberated time. ”
Um .. the scrubboard party would be political. It is not a business ..
well … not meant to be a business.
“Although we do not share the same perspective on every issue, has anyone ever noticed the common philosophical threads that bond Ms Katherine, myself and the Taliban?”
Since your first post.
Leland8 ..
the taliban do not allow scrubboards. they force the women to use specially shaped rocks ..
“Um .. the scrubboard party would be political.”
Now I get it.
“Now I get it. ”
I think you should lead it ..
I’ll loan you some body armor.
“Um .. the scrubboard party would be political.”
Now I get it.”
I’m not so sure I do.
The MSM would play it as the….
Dems, Repubs, and scrubb’s
We’d be at a disadvantage just because the rhyming puts us last. Which is critical in politics today.
“We’d be at a disadvantage just because the rhyming puts us last. Which is critical in politics today.”
What if we had free beer?
“What if we had free beer?”
Now you’re talking my kind of soci@lism!
“d_a_r, granted things were quite different when I was a kid, but I think you’re over-generalizing a wee bit here.”
Of course I’m overgeneralizing, FC. Just flippin’ over the coin of Katherine’s idealized Society Past and contemplating the other side of it.
Turnabout’s fair play I figure.
“Women must return to the scrubboard. The scrubboard is symbolic of pre-liberation. For women like Ms. Katherine, returning to the scrubboard would be a return to true happiness. ”
I’ve seen this quasi-traditional trio a couple times called Reverend Peyton’s Big Damn Band. They consist of Mr. Peyton (not really an ordained minister, I think) who plays old vintage resonator guitars really aggressively, his brother on drums who pounds out a relentless boom-chick boom-chick beat, and Peyton’s wife on washboard. Her eyes roll back into her head while she plays, like she’s possessed.
Every guy should be so lucky to have a wife like that.
Hi, all,
In my family it was called a washboard, and that was all my mom had for the first year or so after we moved into the N Mpls house in 1947; first washer was a wringer washer, and we had the “WPA” cement tubs in the basement. I used to help with the washing, and had to watch out for the wringer.
Anyway, my grandmom (the Czech one, not the Irish one) graduated from Anoka High in ‘05 (that’s 1905) and became a country schoolteacher until 1911. My mom graduated from Edison in 1931, went to business college for one or two years, and was an independent career woman (in St. Paul, Milwaukee, and Washington DC) until she left the work force in 1942 to be delivered of my older brother. Of us six, all have been to college, five have bachelors, four — including all three sisters — have masters, and two of my nieces have doctorates. I kind of think that in my family the whole thing of women’s lib was irrelevant, because it was just sort of taken for granted that my sisters could do anything they wanted, and the only limit was their own ambition and ability (and they all have plenty of ability, I can tell you!)
Incidentally, I was taught to do “women’s” chores around the house: wash dishes, scrub floors, iron, sew. I objected to sewing: “Maaaaa, this is sissy girl stuff!” - “Be quiet. Someday you’ll thank me.” I do. I can’t make a garment anymore, but I still do my own mending.
Thanks, Mom!
“What if we had free beer?”
“Now you’re talking my kind of soci@lism! ”
Works for union organizers…
If you want to make a washboard into a percussion instrument, best way to play it is with gloves that have bottle caps glued to the fingertips.
There’s also a tradition of people playing metal ironing boards too.
And you can make a bass out of a washtub, a broom handle and a piece of clothesline.
I don’t think women should be involved in any form of commerce. We have all suffered the consequences of that. We must return to a happier less liberated time
Leland, I think you’re forgetting about that certain commercial venture that’s at least as old as recorded history.
“Leland, I think you’re forgetting about that certain commercial venture that’s at least as old as recorded history. ”
I think part of his plan is to be the grand pimp.
Give me liberty or give me death. Land of the free, home of the brave.
Accept for the women. Keep them in the kitchen.
“And you can make a bass out of a washtub, a broom handle and a piece of clothesline.”
I saw a band called Split Lip Rayfield. Their bass is a Gas Tank from a car, a broom and a string.
http://www.bourbontheatre.com/eventpics/SplitLipRayfield.jpg
“And you can make a bass out of a washtub, a broom handle and a piece of clothesline.”
I saw a band called Split Lip Rayfield. Their bass is a Gas Tank from a car, a broom and a string.
ttp://www.bourbontheatre.com/eventpics/SplitLipRayfield.jpg
Deac have you seen the documentary, It Might Get Loud, yet?
First scene in the film: Jack White assembles a rudimentary amplified string with a Coke bottle for a bridge and starts playing slide guitar lines on it.
Really great film. It’s showing at the Lagoon right now.
Now Mr. White hasn’t exactly been traditional in his approach to marriage. Married Meg White, took her last name, divorced her. Formed a band with her. Tells everyone she’s his big sister. She and her new husband live in his house. Different.
“Really great film. It’s showing at the Lagoon right now.”
Haven’t seen it. Ill check it out.
Have you seen Anvil: The Story Anvil?
Haven’t seen Anvil, no.
Best parts of Might Get Loud in my opinion is when they’re following Jimmy Page around. That guy has quite a guitar collection in his attic.
Nicer than Nigel Tufnel’s collection?
Yep. For real. But not entirely dissimilar… no amps that went all the way to 11 though.
The movie actually mentions Spinal Tap in passing. The Edge talks about how when he saw it made him sad because it was a little too close to what many of the popular rock bands of the day had become, in his view.
“we had the “WPA” cement tubs in the basement”
I remember these.
Twin tubs. My mom took a picture of me and my sister in one tub and my brother in the next tub.
Three little cuties.
“the common philosophical threads that bond Ms Katherine, myself and the Taliban?”
Laughed so hard I either puked my pants or got an erection. Can’t tell which. But I liked it.
Accept for the women. Keep them in the kitchen.
Katherine would seem to agree.
The Edge talks about how when he saw it made him sad because it was a little too close to what many of the popular rock bands of the day had become, in his view.
It was a little too close to our own career arc too, except we didn’t manufacture vinyl.
I too remember getting bathed in an old cement laundry tub. It always seemed a lot more fun than the regular bathtub upstairs.
Early childhood was happy for me.
My Mom was a schoolteacher prior to having me, basically put my Dad through law school. She had always wanted to be a nurse but unfortunately had followed the misguidance of idiot high school guidance counselors of the era who thought that girls should be steered toward home ec classes instead of math and science. Got discouraged at how far behind she was on nursing pre-reqs when she got to the U and went into education instead. Was a good teacher but quit that to become a full-time Mom. I have no doubt that I benefitted from having my Mom care for me full time before I went to 1st Grade. Proabably wouldn’t know how to sing if she hadn’t.
Now here’s where I get really tired, though, of Katherine’s constant carping about the importance of the nuclear family and narcicisstic Baby Boomers getting divorced for selfish reasons. By the time I was in high school my Dad had downspiraled psychologically and f-ed up his law practice and the family’s economic situation. He and my Mom couldn’t have a conversation any more without it ending in a bad fight and it was a foregone concolusion that they were heading for violence eventually in spite all of the couseling they attempted. Although they came of age in the Sixties, neither of them were hedonists or drug users and the birth control pills were about family planning not promiscuity. The divorce when it came was not about selfish people wanting to live self-serving pleasurable lives as Katherine always inveighs but rather about making the home a suitable environment for kids to be in. Mom re-entered the workforce out of necessity not feminist ideology and she had to start over at the bottom in middle age and build a new career from a menial clerical job and she did fairly damn well at in the end. Dad eventually got his sh!t straightened out about 85% of the way but he really really had to go when he left our house.
Katherine should give her pat self-righteous assessment of her neighbors’ behavior a rest already.
“The Edge talks about how when he saw it made him sad because it was a little too close to what many of the popular rock bands of the day had become, in his view”
Sort of like naming yourself The Edge? How inonically stupid.
I agree the Edge is a dumb name.
“The guy with the delay pedals” would be more apt but it’s cumbersome to say.
But we need a vocab check here.
inonically?
You mean,
iconically?
ironically?
inimically?
inanely?
Thank you Mr Carrier and Mr dubble for your recollections of the past.
Mr dubble, I can understand when it is best if one parent leaves the home. Your parents did the right thing.
In my case I was left by my parents at an aunt’s house. When I returned to my parent’s home, both of them had moved out. I stayed in the porch of the abandoned house for a couple weeks. Then I returned to my aunt’s home and she had also moved. I don’t think she was really my aunt. I think she owed my mother money, or my mother was blackmailing her. My point is when people leave, sometimes it’s for the best.
Anyway it all worked out great, because that is when I joined the carnival. I was 14, but I said I was 18. They didn’t care. I stammered and stuttered, and they thought I was an imbecile. I was just what they needed.
My first job was packing the gears and bearings of the old ferris wheel. You had to reach in with your arm and a handful of grease when the gears began to smoke. This had to be done while the ferris wheel was running, because as my boss said, “the show must go on”. It was very dangerous, and only an imbecile would attempt to do such a thing.
The guy who had my job before me lost his right arm in the gears. He might have been a real imbecile. They felt sorry for him. They gave him a job on the midway selling helium filled balloons after the accident. It didn’t work out. The same thing always happened when he tried to make change.
“The same thing always happened when he tried to make change.”
Was that Habibi?
Hi, all,
d_a_r, I can now see well the reason for your last comment there. Thanks for sharing your story — reminds me to never hardly ever generalize.
In my case I was left by my parents at an aunt’s house. When I returned to my parent’s home, both of them had moved out. I stayed in the porch of the abandoned house for a couple weeks.
Here’s the photo evidence to prove it.
www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1695342_1505647,00.html
“Here’s the photo evidence to prove it.”
Now that’s funny.
Mr president tluck,
No, that was not Habib. I worked with Habib many years later. I am glad you brought up Habib however. I may get a job again with the same organization. My old job was taken (perhaps stolen) by Habib, you may recall. They dramatically escalated the pay for that job when he took it. If I get a position there, it will pay much less. About what I made before. I will tell you more as events unfold. I do not expect you or anyone else to be interested in this, but I will tell you all anyway.
Mr mthalo, That photo was pretty close to reality, except for the little moustache.
Mr Leland,
That was a carefully selected photo.
Your writing has a mix of humor and pathos that reminds me of Chaplin.
If you ever write a novel, I’m sure I’ll finish it in one sitting.
What Happened to Global Warming?
“Climate researchers are beginning to answer back in their preferred venue, the peer-reviewed literature,” says Kerr. Really? None of these researchers predicted a decade of non-warming, instead they and their computer models predicted more warming, not less. Indeed, it has taken until quite recently for them to concede that the world has actually stopped warming. Now we have non-warming, the ‘feather-light’ researchers are predicting more non-warming, some up to another decade or two, to be followed by yet more warming in order to keep the climate scare alive. And how do you ‘peer review’ an unverifiable prediction?
Read more at:
www.climateresearchnews.com/2009/10/what-happened-to-global-warming/
None of these researchers predicted a decade of non-warming, instead they and their computer models predicted more warming, not less. Indeed, it has taken until quite recently for them to concede that the world has actually stopped warming.
Except “the world” hasn’t stopped warming. The oceans, the world’s heat sink, have been shown beyond any doubt to still be warming. Only atmospheric warming has taken a break since the record warm year of 1998.
Citing atmospheric cooling over recent years fails to take into account that the atmosphere is one small part of the climate system. The ocean has a much greater heat capacity, absorbing about 95% of global warming, and heat exchanges between the atmosphere and ocean means atmospheric temperatures show much internal variability. The bottom line is empirical observations find that the oceans are still warming - the planet is still accumulating heat - global warming is still happening.
www.skepticalscience.com/How-we-know-global-warming-is-happening-Part-2.html
Your article asks, “Say what!? Can someone point me to a prediction of a decade of non-warming before the temperature ’stagnation’ occurred?” I don’t have the time at the moment to find the link, but there have been regular intervals of roughly ten year cooling periods between peaks in the last century as average temps have been rising. It’s an ocean current thing (El Nino, La Nina type of thing).
“The oceans, the world’s heat sink, have been shown beyond any doubt to still be warming.”
Which is why Daytona Beach Florida, right on the extremely warm Atlantic Ocean, set a record cold temperature the other day.
America has invented the vast majority of the world’s technology because of our capitalist system which allows anyone to who pushes themselves hard enough to succeed and be rewarded for their efforts. Too bad Obama’s radical soci@list/Marxist vision for America will stifle our incentives to continue this great tradition. Under the democrat soci@list party we are well on our way to becoming a turd world nation.
Which is why Daytona Beach Florida, right on the extremely warm Atlantic Ocean, set a record cold temperature the other day.
Because of cold northern air brought south by the jet stream.
America has invented the vast majority of the world’s technology because of our capitalist system
America has invented the vast majority of the world’s technology because of our educational system. Universities are behind a huge amount of our technical advances.
Under the democrat soci@list party we are well on our way to becoming a turd world nation.
So leave.
“Because of cold northern air brought south by the jet stream.”
Right down to Daytona Beach itself on the warm Atlantic which is causing the “problem” and creating record cold temperatures alongside the warm Atlantic. I suppose you think that you can cool your house by leaving your refigerator door open as well Downtown Dem?
“So leave.”
No, let’s just reject soci@lism and vote the radicals out.
“America has invented the vast majority of the world’s technology because of our educational system.”
Our failing government run public schools rank among the worst in the civilized world Downtown Dem.
Our failing government run public schools rank among the worst in the civilized world Downtown Dem.
Yet our government supported universities are among the best in the civilized world.
Right down to Daytona Beach itself on the warm Atlantic
Yes, right down to Daytona Beach. That’s how the jet stream works. Sorry if physics doesn’t follow your misinformed partisan dreams, but that’s life in the real world.
It’s capitalism Dan, not tax money going to the Universities. And you your “Global Warming” theory isn’t physics, it’s a bunch of leftist crap.
It’s capitalism Dan, not tax money going to the Universities. And you your “Global Warming” theory isn’t physics, it’s a bunch of leftist crap.
I’ve never seen anyone more afraid of reality. Did you sniff a lot of glue as a kid?
D2, seriously. You never have anything good to say about US gov’t. The positions of this country are so far removed from your personal views, there is no possiblity they will align themselves for decades. You would really be happier if you moved to another country and lived somewhere else.
Erkall, the people should control the government, not the other way around.
looks like the committee was smoking the nobel peace pipe
“looks like the committee was smoking the nobel peace pipe”
Exactly! Obama was nominated only 10 days into his Presidency, not nearly enought time to put a dent in the destruction of America.
At least the 2 worst Presidents in American history have now won the Nobel prize.
“At least the 2 worst Presidents in American history have now won the Nobel prize. ”
cmon d2, its not right to try and deprive carter of the honor of being in the top 2 worst prezzez. your doing the man a disservice, and failing to acknowledge his accomplishments and forerunner to the great obomomaniac philosophy.
But Steve, Jimma Carter DID win the Nobel prize for Soci@lism, along with Algore and B. Hussein Obama.
Erkall, the people should control the government, not the other way around.
What D2 really means: Erkall, MY people should control the government, not the other way around.
“MY people should control the government, not the other way around.”
No, Americans should control the government, not soci@lists controlling Americans.
Welcome to an early Winter D.T.! Looks like I’ve got at least an inch of snow covering the compound. The average low for this day is in the mid 40’s F.
this is kind of funny
“Rep. Barney Frank, the first openly gay member of Congress, says he’d rather see gay rights supporters lobbying their elected officials than marching in Washington this weekend, ………..
“Frank , in an interview with The Associated Press, said he considers such demonstrations to be “an emotional release” …..”
thats a little differnet from calling demonstrators an unruly hatefilled mob that pelosi and crew called conservative protesters
“thats a little differnet from calling demonstrators an unruly hatefilled mob that pelosi and crew called conservative protesters”
Didn’t she call them Nazi’s or something?
Anyway, Barney is probably right about the gay protestors. If the media does their job and shows how rediculous some of these people look, it will backfire on them. I attended an illegal alien rally a few years ago at the State Capital where thousands of illegals were bussed in for hundreds of miles, and it really backfired on them with their signs in Spanish and the waving of Mexican flags. It made you want to just round them all up and send them home.
stories today about the charlatan -in- chief talking about the evil republicans blocking the passage of health care reform. how the evil republicans will cause unnessary misery to the poor uninsured folk.
someone needs to tell his holy cluelessness that he has both the house and senate under control and does not need a single republican vote to pass any bill che obama desires.
i guess he thinks the american public is dumb. ufortunately hes probably right. after all, they elected him.
“Didn’t she call them Nazi’s or something”
oh yeah, the old senile girl really went off on them. it is only ok to practice democratic values if you believe in the “proper” values.
“If the snow sticks, it would be the earliest recorded measurable snowfall in Chicago. The record was set just three years ago when it snowed on Oct. 12.”
www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/No-Kidding-Snow-on-Sunday–63751227.html
More proof of “Globull Warming”
“stories today about the charlatan -in- chief talking about the evil republicans blocking the passage of health care reform.”
The Republicans are asking that any healthcare takeover bill be posted on the internet 72 hous before it is voted on, so everyone can see what we’re getting ourselves into, but the libs are fighting this tooth and nail.
I guess if we would have known what was in the massive Porkulus Bill it would have had problems as well. Taxpayers deserve to know what our Representatives are pushing us into.
how the evil republicans will cause unnessary misery to the poor uninsured folk.
It’s all they do, and they do it well.
D.T.,
It’s the libs making the cost of healthcare so high with their frivolous lawsuits and love of illegal immigration.
Madison, WI- Today hundreds gathered in at the State Capitol in Madison, Wi to oppose Al Gore and his alarmist Climate Change policies. Despite the cold, an enthusiastic crowd gathered to send Al Gore a clear message: “Don’t Fry Our Economy!”
www.cfactcampus.org/media/what-we-are-doing/470-dont-fry-our-economy
“Don’t Fry Our Economy!”
Why do you prefer sending our money to the same people who attacked us on 9/11 (the Saudis) instead of keeping that money in our economy, building US jobs, and lowering our energy costs?
You all are such silly, easily mislead people it’s hard to take you seriously on anything.
“It’s all they do, and they do it well. ”
the point is its a cop out. che has all the dems he needs, they just have to have the b@llz to pass it if they believe in it.
“Why do you prefer sending our money to the same people who attacked us on 9/11 (the Saudis) instead of keeping that money in our economy”
Because you libs won’t allow us to drill on American soil. We have more oil than we know what to do with in places like ANWR, but you libs won’t let us touch it, instead forcing us to buy oil from the Muslims.
And D.T., we ARE working on alternative forms of energy, but government can’t force us to switch over to these until they are perfected.
We’ve tried things like Ethanol, but found that it is much less efficient and more environmentally damaging than gasoline, while driving up the cost of our food. Not only that, it can’t survive without taxpayer subsidies and is NOT the answer.
We shouldn’t be in such a hurry to impose economy killing Cap & Tax regulations on ourselves in the name of a leftist hoax.
Because you libs won’t allow us to drill on American soil.
Who runs Florida? Not the libs.
We have more oil than we know what to do with in places like ANWR,
Six months supply. Six. Months. And then only years later.
And D.T., we ARE working on alternative forms of energy,
We!?!? YOU and the rest of the right are fighting this every_step_of_the_way.
We’ve tried things like Ethanol,
Blame the agribusiness lobbyists.
We shouldn’t be in such a hurry to impose economy killing
We had a chance to start on economic saving and job creating initiatives 30 years ago but they got spiked when “I Love the Saudis” Reagan came into office.
Who runs Alaska? Not the libs.
And yet the libs in Washington won’t allow them to tap into their own oil.
“Six months supply. Six. Months. And then only years later.”
If it’s not a good idea, the oil companies making the investment wouldn’t drill there.
“We!?!? YOU and the rest of the right are fighting this every_step_of_the_way.”
Not true, conservatives want clean energy as well, they are just more practical about it.
“Blame the agribusiness lobbyists.”
I’m sure there is plenty of blame to go around. The point is that it was a bad idea and did more harm than good.
“We had a chance to start on economic saving and job creating initiatives 30 years ago”
You mean tax and regulation increases? Again, I’m all for developing new forms of energy, but lets be practical about it and not kill our economy over it.
“Your writing has a mix of humor and pathos that reminds me of Chaplin.
If you ever write a novel, I’m sure I’ll finish it in one sitting.”
Mr mthalo, Thank you. I don’t know if I could write fiction, however. I’ve never done that before. Yeah, I know.
I watched a little Chaplin last night on DVD after reading your post. Ha. Lot’s of laughs.
What’s new Leland? Did you find an American girlfriend yet?
Man it’s cold outside. Is this really Oct. 10th or December?
“Six months supply. Six. Months. And then only years later.”
Thats a lie. You can’t determine how much is there without exploration. So far we have been limited to speculating. Why are the known deposits doing well while the Anwr deposits are supposidly to be of less volume?
Pick you nose and chew it chew it because what is known is blew it blew it.
Same BS the back water libs give for exploring off the coasts. They say the oil companies have the permits but won’t drill where they are allowed. Well let me see here. They get the drilling permits, they explore for oil, they find no oil, they don’t drill.
Hmmmm. Lets challenge comment sense here. No wait, we can’t do that because we’re dealing with the Gorist money machine.
Looks like Katherine won’t have a new topic this week. Instead the Strib has two extreme liberals spewing their leftist agenda.
Darn, and I came relatively early to get a good seat. Oh well.
I will however make this one observation. Katherines articles cast a happy shadow… a by product of permanent ideas and engaging style, I think. bye bye
Oh dear. Gonna be two weeks with no fresh screed from Katherine. Felt something not unlike withdrawal when I flipped the Op-ed section open this morning.
“Why do you prefer sending our money to the same people who attacked us on 9/11 (the Saudis) instead of keeping that money in our economy, building US jobs, and lowering our energy costs?”
DD,
Do you have “Drill here Drill now” bumper stickers on your Porsche and Jeep?
Or are you really not that concerned?
Maybe she’s too busy cooking dinner for her husband to write this week? Lets hope so, back to the kitchen KK.
“Gonna be two weeks with no fresh screed from Katherine”. DAR can you define “fresh screed”? How about same old screed in a new dress?
Rally Against Amnesty for Illegals Nov. 14!
Daring to Question Al Gore:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf-fzVH6v_U&feature=player_embedded
This guy was on Glenn Beck’s show today (with KTLK’s Chris Baker filling in). Sounds like the soci@lists don’t tolerate opposing viewpoints, just like the commies!
“Rally Against Amnesty for Illegals Nov. 14!”
D2 .. since there isn’t one set up in MN maybe you should sponsor it!
That would be so neat.
Rally Against Amnesty for Illegals Nov. 14!
I wonder how the Native Americans feel about this, given that many of the people who will “rally” are the ones whose ancestors stole Native American lands and decimated Native American cultures even while today continuing the tradition of reneging on every promise ever made to Native Americans.
“I wonder how the Native Americans feel about this…..”
We aren’t one bit happy about it, Mr Fauvel.
“What’s new Leland? Did you find an American girlfriend yet?”
No, and she hasn’t found me yet either.
“I wonder how the Native Americans feel about this”
Hopefully they will join the rally’s as well. I know most blacks are against illegal immigration since it is taking away jobs from them, I would think the Indians would feel the same way.
Actually Evil, I was at “protect our borders” rallys in the past, and there were even Mexican Americans who attended and supported the cause.
Ms Katherine, We have not heard from you in 10 days. Do you have H1N1? If so, get well soon.
“Do you have H1N1?”
My bet is she had a psychotic episode when Obama got the Nobel Prize and has been under heavy sedation since.
D2, if you supply me with the metes and bounds description to your homestead, I’ll attend a “protect our borders” rally.
I like that Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize.
I haven’t been doing much of anything lately. It would be nice to get an award for doing nothing. I could really use some congratulations and accolades for all the nothing I have done of late. I am glad Obama gets love, but where is my love?
“It would be nice to get an award for doing nothing.”
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Today, President Barack Hussein Obama has just received the Heisman Trophy.
Apparently he watched a College football game on Saturday.
“We have not heard from you in 10 days.”
Maybe she’s on vacation leland. She didn’t have her normal column on Sunday. Maybe the Strib is getting rid of her again though.
I noticed the Strib’s Big Question is history, hopefully people will come back over here.
“A 17-year-old Eagle Scout in upstate New York received a 20-day suspension for keeping a 2-inch pocketknife locked in a survival kit in his car. But, he teen’s family wants their son reinstated so he can live out his dream of attending West Point - a dream now in peril because of the mar on his record.”
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/10/13/decide-did-eagle-scout-receive-proper-punishment/
Damn Liberals!
“I am glad Obama gets love, but where is my love? ”
Leland8..
As one of my Uncles would say ..
If it were up your @ss you’d know.
Damn Liberals!
Did Obama suspend him?
“I am glad Obama gets love, but where is my love? ”
Dtroll’s compound?
d2, what made it OK for your ancestors to come to these shores and help displace the native population? The only people who have an honest claim to North and South American land are Native Americans. The rest of us are, at best, their guests (and I’m guessing we’ve long overstayed our welcome).
You’re so up in arms about “illegal aliens” that you fail to remember that you yourself can trace your ancestry back to illegal immigrants.
If it was OK for your ancestors to come here illegally, why isn’t it OK for someone else to come illegally today? It may be “illegal” according to United States law, but is it any less moral than what your own ancestors did?
What do you think would happen if another country invaded the United States? Wouldn’t we fight the invaders? Of course we would. And you would view that as right, noble and just.
But that’s exactly what some Native Americans did, and somehow that’s “different.” It’s somehow “wrong” that Native Americans fought for what was rightfully theirs.
I guess what’s “right” depends on whose side you’re on.
And some people have the nerve to argue that there are “absolute truths.” Amazing how flimsy those “absolute” “truths” become when viewed through different lenses.
Thus far only 50 Michelle Bachmann Action Dolls have been sold …
There’s a good chance they are all in Big Lake ..
and they have stains on them.
“d2, what made it OK for your ancestors to come to these shores and help displace the native population?”
My ancestors came to Minnesota from Norway in the late 1800’s and never displaced Indians OR had slaves Evil. Besides, various Indian tribes were always fighting among theseselves and displacing other tribes. Why don’t you complain about that?
“My ancestors came to Minnesota from Norway in the late 1800’s and never displaced Indians OR had slaves Evil. Besides, various Indian tribes were always fighting among theseselves and displacing other tribes. Why don’t you complain about that? ”
I get it. I didn’t do it so it doesn’t matter.
As far as tribes fighting amongst themselves …
perhaps you can give us a brief lesson on how that worked D2.
Straw burns fast ..
“Dtroll’s compound? ”
That’s not nice to even suggest.
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Today, President Barack Hussein Obama has just received the Heisman Trophy.
Apparently he watched a College football game on Saturday.
On Monday, he took a dump and got awarded the Nobel Piece Prize.
“On Monday, he took a dump and got awarded the Nobel Piece Prize. ”
I thought it was the best pooper award from the Dtroll compound?
FORECASTS BLOWN: ‘09 Atlantic hurricane season quietest in decade…
I remember it like it was yesterday Some “Expert” telling me after Katrina that Global warming would increase the number of Hurricanes to 30 a year.
Where is that guy? What are the chances he might be appear on CNN to explain himself.
I thought it was the best pooper award from the Dtroll compound?
How can DTroll have a best pooper award, if he doesn’t know sh1t?
Did you miss me Tiny?
“How can DTroll have a best pooper award, if he doesn’t know sh1t? ”
You’re right ..
I have an excuse.
That new blog svcks.
“That new blog svcks. ”
Yep. sux donkey balls.
But this one is in a topic coma as it were. Where to go?
Hey, tiny,
ever occur to you that if the rash of hurricanes in the early part of the decade wasn’t Global Warming in action, maybe it was God’s judgement on Red States, particularly Florida, for putting Bush in power?
New Orleans was just collateral damage in the execution of his wrath.
We could give Obama a medal for stopping the hurricanes.
We could give Obama a medal for stopping the hurricanes.
Give one to Bill Clinton for predicting when Hurricane Monica would blow, and keeping it contained.
Katherine,
Any thoughts on what we should do for the upcoming Think Again Christmas Party?
“That’s not nice to even suggest.”
You’re right Greg.
I apologize leland.
When I read your post, the song “Lookin’ for Love in All the Wrong Places” came to mind. And then the wrongest place of all….
“Where is that guy? What are the chances he might be appear on CNN to explain himself.”
Belinda on the KARE11 said that normally we would be mowing our lawns a least a couple more times this year, but with this “Global Warming” snow and record cold, MAYBE once more at best.
It’s funny how liberal “Global Warming” alarmists like Paul Douglas used to make a big deal out of unusually warm weather to scare people into their hoax, but are silent when we have a summer and fall like the ones we’ve experienced over the past few years.
Everything they’ve predicted has been wrong, including increased hurricane activity.
“Give one to Bill Clinton for predicting when Hurricane Monica would blow, and keeping it contained.”
Funny! Thanks.
“Cuba gives ’soci@lism lite’ a try as recession deepens”
www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/77132.html
Interesting! Cuba is getting away from soci@lism to stimulate the economy, while Obama and Comrades in the Democrat Soci@list Party are moving towards it at an alarming pace.
My ancestors came to Minnesota from Norway in the late 1800’s and never displaced Indians…
Only because they had already been displaced. Your ancestors — and mine, sadly — helped hasten the demise of Native American cultures. It is shameful.
Hey, tiny,
ever occur to you that if the rash of hurricanes in the early part of the decade wasn’t Global Warming in action,
Hey DAR,
ever occur to you that they’re just makin’ it up as they go?
“Only because they had already been displaced. Your ancestors — and mine, sadly — helped hasten the demise of Native American cultures. It is shameful.”
OK Evil, let’s all just pack up and move back to wherever our ancestors came here from hundreds of years ago.
“OK Evil, let’s all just pack up and move back to wherever our ancestors came here from hundreds of years ago. ”
You probably should, but the rest of us should probably try and remember that when we see a native american needing a hand ..
sometimes a simple hello, a cup of coffee or a burger goes a long way towards reminding someone they’ve got something to look forward to.
Apparently the first people who settled in the Americas were not mongloid people. They were from Africa and similar to aboriginal Australians. They settled on the coast of Brazil about 11,000 some years ago. They lived peacably for centuries, only to be massacred to extinction by invading mongloids from the north.
Claiming my Indian heritage, I always felt Indian people were the victims. Now I find out my people anihilated all of the first African Americans. We commited genocide on the little brothers.
I mean “mongoloid” not mongloid. Jeez, leland.
“Claiming my Indian heritage, I always felt Indian people were the victims. Now I find out my people anihilated all of the first African Americans. We commited genocide on the little brothers. ”
Which leads to …
2 wrongs do not make a right?
“If it were up your @ss you’d know.”
Greg, or somebody, can you explain this to me in the context of what I wrote?
“Dtroll’s compound?”
Mr tluck, or somebody, can you explain this?
It is probably funny, but I don’t get it. I am never offended by anything. I just don’t understand it. Thank you.
“but the rest of us should probably try and remember that when we see a native american needing a hand ..”
That has happened more than you realize Greg, but far too often, houses given to them for free are trashed, and things like the wiring and plumbing,etc. are ripped out of the homes and sold as scrap. Taxpayers have been very generous Greg, but we get crapped on from certain groups of people.
We also have allowed Indians to net Walleye’s all they want under our treaties, despite the fact that the treaties are one sided, and Indian’s can use all of the White Man’s technology to deplete fish supplies. I went ice fishing on Mille Lac’s last December and got skunked like all the other fisherman I talked to there, simply because the lake is over netted.
Indians in Minnesota have it made if they choose to simply because of their race. The Casino’s are an example of this, producing many millionaire Indians.
“Which leads to …
2 wrongs do not make a right?”
No. I think it just deepens my disappointment with all of humanity. I have been studying some history, especially wars of the past and it leads me to awful despair. Human history is one awful tale of hate and carnage.
mongolian?
I made a comment about fish netting, casino’s and free houses, but it got blocked for some reason.
Mr tluck, or somebody, can you explain this?
It is probably funny, but I don’t get it. I am never offended by anything. I just don’t understand it. Thank you.
See my 6:03 apology. It was the voices in my head.
mongoloid race.
Man, I tried to make a comment about the Indians TWICE, but it got blocked both times. It wasn’t offensive at all, but there must be some key words like Fish N&tting or C@sino’s, or something like that which get blocked
I read the apology. Your apology is accepted. I just don’t know what you meant. I am okay if it was an insult. No problem. I think I have insulted everyone. I just don’t understand it.
“Greg, or somebody, can you explain this to me in the context of what I wrote?”
No, my memory is toast. Ask tluck .. he can probably do a better job.
I have been studying some history,
See if you can find a copy of “The Alphabet vs. the Goddess.”
Everything they’ve predicted has been wrong,
Except for the inconvenient fact the oceans have been recorded at record highs this summer, and the pesky fact that the ocean levels have continued to climb, and the Arctic continues to melt, and… oh yeah, it’s unseasonable cool right now in these parts, so I guess that means you can make up whatever you want as long as it fits your partisan agenda.
Carry on.
“Fish N&tting”
I love women in fish net stockings.
I had my septic tank pumped today after 3 years. They took out a sh|tload of crap!
It wasn’t offensive at all, but there must be some
I’m pretty sure it’s you.
wearing boots.
Danno,
How much are Obama and friends going to fine me for not having insurance?
“Man, I tried to make a comment about the Indians TWICE, but it got blocked both times. It wasn’t offensive at all, but there must be some key words like Fish N&tting or C@sino’s, or something like that which get blocked ”
It was the stup!d filter.
“I had my septic tank pumped today after 3 years. They took out a sh|tload of crap! ”
If you think that’s your excuse you’re wrong.
“Greg, or somebody, can you explain this to me in the context of what I wrote?”
No, my memory is toast. Ask tluck .. he can probably do a better job.
Definitely a synapse mis-firing on Greg’s part.
I didn’t get it either.
“wearing boots. ”
agreed ..
“How much are Obama and friends going to fine me for not having insurance?”
Lot’s of young and single people aren’t willing to pay the high cost of health insurance and simply pay out of pocket like I did a few years back. Obama penalizing people thousands of dollars for not buying health insurance is going to cause a major backlash.
I think anyone who gets fined would vote against the politician who voted to fine him. Paying that fine would have a large and memorable impact on anyone. I think it would become a single issue type of thing. If poor working people can’t buy food, or pay for shoes for there children because of a big fine, they won’t forget it.
This could be the silver lining to this deep dark cloud. Toss the vile, stenching rats out of office when you go to the ballot box. Of course they will be replaced by more rats, but it still would be fun to toss them out.
Except for the inconvenient fact the oceans have been recorded at record highs this summer, and the pesky fact that the ocean levels have continued to climb, and the Arctic continues to melt, and… oh yeah,
DD, can you enlighten us on how long our oceans have been rising?
Can you tells us what they find when the glaciers melt?
oh yeah, it’s unseasonable cool right now in these parts, so I guess that means you can make up whatever you want as long as it fits your partisan agenda.
What’s the difference in between that and your argument? Substituting cool with warm?
Carry on.
“Definitely a synapse mis-firing on Greg’s part. ”
Sorry .. sh!t happens?
“Lot’s of young and single people aren’t willing to pay the high cost of health insurance and simply pay out of pocket like I did a few years back. Obama penalizing people thousands of dollars for not buying health insurance is going to cause a major backlash. ”
Uh huh …
lets say they have one catastrophic event.
Or maybe they need a couple of MRI’s and an EEG ..
Do those young people have a spare 25g’s laying around?
For someone who spouts out about being responsible ..
well, I guess you’ll never see your own hypocrisy even after you had your tank reemed.
“Obama penalizing people thousands of dollars for not buying health insurance is going to cause a major backlash.”
I agree. I think it could become the #1 issue for many people in the next election. It already is for me. I would definitely vote against anyone who voted for the fine.
Most things don’t affect people so directly. This is a very personal thing. It’s a personal affront for sure. More like a personal attack.
I’ve known people to stay angry over a fine for a traffic violation for yars. This is a fine for doing nothing wrong, and it’s a BIG fine. This will have lasting ramifications.
Anyone who voted for the fine should just do the right thing and resign.
Does anyone have an idea of how much the insurance will cost?
I mean .. I know some people on Minnesota Care who pay maybe 6 bucks a month and get really decent care.
I don’t like the idea of a fine, but if it’s just stupid NOT to get the insurance maybe they should get a fine for being stupid?
Democrats seem to always find a way to self destruct whenever they take power. They just can’t get over themselves and their social engineering schemes. If the fine goes through, they could all but vanish from the political landscape for 40 years. Good riddance.
I agree. I think it could become the #1 issue for many people in the next election. It already is for me. I would definitely vote against anyone who voted for the fine.
Leland, Don’t get too worked up yet. This thing is going behind closed doors now and the Lord only knows what’s ACTUALLY going to come out of either the Senate or the House.
Then we’ll go behind closed doors again for the infamous “conference committee”. Which I believe can pass a bill without being presented to the full House or Senate, if that’s what the leaders want.(not entirely sure of that. I’ll look it up if I get the time)
“Sorry .. sh!t happens?”
Understood.
I have noticed quite an improvement lately. Nothing wrong with 3 steps forward and one back…
One thing nice about the fine as a single issue is that it is incredibly simple. You got fined and here is who voted to fine you. Simple. No debate.
People who care nothing about politics can understand it. No other issue will impact them so personally. Who cares what else the politician is for or against. Vote him/her out. Simple.
“I have noticed quite an improvement lately. Nothing wrong with 3 steps forward and one back… ”
Thanks .. but I think it’s closer to 2 steps forward and one back ..
but I’m stubborn.
“People who care nothing about politics can understand it. No other issue will impact them so personally. Who cares what else the politician is for or against. Vote him/her out. Simple.”
Leland, the game behind closed doors will take care of that problem. They’ll pay off however many people they need.
And not one more.
mr tluck,
I believe the full house and senate must vote on it.
DD, can you enlighten us on how long our oceans have been rising?
I think the significance is that the ocean levels are rising during the time the planet is supposedly cooling.
“I think the significance is that the ocean levels are rising during the time the planet is supposedly cooling.”
I know you have a huge stash of it, but I don’t accept straw. (even though it will be worth more than than the dollar soon enough.)
How long have our oceans been rising?
What have we found when the glaciers recede?
Leland, actually, I’m going to vote FOR the people who will impose fines on you and D2. Just how long should I pay the bill for your uninsured a$$? Obviously, I’m being a little sarcastic, but your attitude does want to make me puke. The principle behind insurance risk is the many paying for the needs of the few. Any one of us could become the “few”. But see, your attitude is you want to vote someone out of office because they want to make you pay your fair share.
I know you have a huge stash of it, but I don’t accept straw.
Nothing straw about it. Rising heat content and melting glaciers are contributing to ocean levels steadily rising, no matter what the weather in Daytona Beach was last month or how cold it was in Ely last week.
If you think there’s some point to connecting how long they’ve been rising then you make the point. Otherwise you’re the one introducing the straw, not me.
I’m with t thinking this fine will go away.
But I think it would be okay if there were some kind of mandatory health care that was affordable for everyone.
D2’s idea of just going without is irresponsible at best since someone could incur a huge bill and not be able to pay it .. and it ends up on our backs.
D2’s idea of just going without is irresponsible at best since someone could incur a huge bill and not be able to pay it .. and it ends up on our backs.
So in reality D2 is for soci@lism.
People should be outraged.
“So in reality D2 is for soci@lism.”
Actually, neocon soci@lism, to be precise. Capitalize the gains, soci@lize the risk.
D2’s idea of just going without is irresponsible at best since someone could incur a huge bill and not be able to pay it .. and it ends up on our backs.
He’s failing to see the difference between a $200 doctor visit and a $200,000 hospital stay.
Still, I fail to see how the people who are living month to month with no money left over are suddenly going to be able to afford coverage.
Leland, Don’t get too worked up yet. This thing is going behind closed doors now and the Lord only knows what’s ACTUALLY going to come out of either the Senate or the House.
I think of it like this. Going in to the Senate and the House, healthcare reform is like a big steak dinner with all the trimmings.
I have a pretty good idea what is coming out when they’re done.
Winter may be on the warm side, NOAA says
The coming winter stands a good chance of being warmer than normal in Minnesota and much of the northern U.S., according to a long-range outlook issued today by the U.S. Climate Prediction Center.
The outlook was non-committal on precipitation, though, meaning chances are about the same for anything from a brown Christmas to snowmobile bliss.
The forecast is for the months of December, January and February, known as meteorological winter. Trends are based heavily on recent trends in ocean temperatures in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of South America, known as the El Niño-La Niña oscillation, long known to affect weather around the globe.
Temperatures have been increasing in the eastern equatorial Pacific, indicating a mild El Niño for this winter. On average, El Niños have brought warmer winters to the Upper Midwest, but average precipitation.
A mild El Niño, however, means trends may be “less consistent,” said Mike Halpert, deputy director of the Climate Prediction Center, which is an agency of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
“Still, I fail to see how the people who are living month to month with no money left over are suddenly going to be able to afford coverage. ”
That’s why I think there needs to be an option that goes by income. I know it sounds unfair, but if they have nothing we’ll end up paying anyway? Maybe it’s 20 bucks .. just something so they feel accountable and have something.
I wish they’d get off their ideologies and get with what’s good for the country….
“Leland, Don’t get too worked up yet. This thing is going behind closed doors now and the Lord only knows what’s ACTUALLY going to come out of either the Senate or the House.”
Whatever comes out, I won’t be surprised if steam is rising from it.
I don’t see any reason to fine people for not being insured. I think it would be pretty simple if there was a public option that you’re enrolled in automatically if you can’t provide a certificate of insurance at the time you file your taxes. Sure there are scofflaws that don’t file taxes but for the 99% of us who live on the grid, catch it right there. Have the premium come out of your tax witholdings the way FICA does now. Easy-peasy lemon squeazy.
Have the premium come out of your tax witholdings the way FICA does now.
But haven’t you been following along? That’s exactly what HITLER would do.
“That’s why I think there needs to be an option that goes by income. I know it sounds unfair, but if they have nothing we’ll end up paying anyway?”
What some of the insured folks aginst govt healt insurance don’t seem to understand is that they are already paying for the people who are uninsured. The way health providers are set up today, it would be like if gas station operators had to let everyone fill their tanks whether they could pay or not. Suppose only 2/3 of the people actually pay for their gas and the rest are freeloading. Think the gas station wouldn’t have to charge more per gallon to stay in business?
“But haven’t you been following along? That’s exactly what HITLER would do. ”
According to who?
DAR, here’s another on that gets my goat. All the people who say we have the “best healthcare in the world”….of course we do, you’re just not paying for it. Your kids and grandkids are. I could live in the best penthouse in Manhatten if I took out a mortgage that my kids and grandkids were obligated to pay for.
“Just how long should I pay the bill for your uninsured a$$?” - Earsell Mackbee
Never, I hope. Especially not for my a$$. Ouch.
I had insurance, but business has been way down in my industry. I’ve been looking most everyday for other work. I had to choose between my apartment, my car (I need this for the type of work I do) food, or health insurance.
Believe me, I thought long and hard about cancelling my health insurance. I tried to maintain it. I thought I would never cancel it, but I had to make a choice.
What choice would have you made, if you were in my situation? How will fining me change things for the better?
“your attitude does want to make me puke.” - Earsell
Usually only women say this to me. Are you a woman, Earsell? If you are, would you like to go on a date? What time are you picking me up, and where are you going to take me?
I would give up smoking, but I don’t smoke. Drinking, but I don’t drink. Gambling, but I don’t gamble. Entertainment and restaurants, but I never go out.
My clothes, car, and furniture are just like me. They have definitely seen their better days.
I don’t have cable or the internet. No newspaper or magazine subscriptions.
I never go on a date.
I’m just a lonely boy
Lonely and blue
I’m all alone
With nothin’ to do
I’ve got everything
You could think of
But all I want
Is someone to love
Someone, yes, someone to love
Someone to kiss
Someone to hold
At a moment like this
I’d like to hear
Somebody say
I’ll give you my love
Each night and day
I’m just a lonely boy
Lonely and blue
I’m all alone
With nothin’ to do
I’ve got everything
You could think of
But all I want
Is someone to love
Somebody, somebody
Somebody, please
Send her to me
I’ll make her happy
Just wait and see
I prayed so hard
To the heavens above
That I might find
Someone to love
I’m just a lonely boy
lonely and blue
I’m all alone
With nothin’ to do
I’ve got everything
You could think of
But all I want
Is someone to love
According to who?
The Republican National Committee.
h - ttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/14/nrcc-removes-tweet-comparing-pelosi-to-hilter/
leland8 ..
I get your point of view and in your shoes I’d probably make the same choice.
Here’s a link you might be interested in:
I don’t know if you’re eligible or not but it’s worth a try?
“The Republican National Committee.”
That’s not true Dan. You’re saying all Republicans are …
I think you mean the extremists .. the nutcases.
Someone like ..
well, you know.
I think it’s funny they won’t let Rush own part of a football team …
I suppose they’re worried it would be too much pressure for him to keep kicking the habit(s) ..
Doh!
The Government Can!
I was listening to Chris Baker on KTLK this morning, and he had some guy from England on the show giving us a preview of what government run healthcare will be like. He said his 59 year old father worked hard all his life, to the point where the cartledge in his knees is gone, he’s in great pain, and doctors tell him he needs both knees replaced. The problem is, government rationers won’t do it yet because he’s TOO YOUNG!. They figure he will need them replaced again someday, so they want to wait until he is old enough to get by with one set of replacement knees.
That’s liberal reasoning for ya, and exactly what we’ve got coming if we allow the soci@lists to get away with their takover.
“That’s liberal reasoning for ya, and exactly what we’ve got coming if we allow the soci@lists to get away with their takover. ”
And you know this how?
Or ..
is this just your opinion?
“And you know this how?”
Because crap like this has happened everywhere else government has taken over healthcare.
“Because crap like this has happened everywhere else government has taken over healthcare. ”
So it’s your opinion based upon an ideology (idiotology?) that you’ve chosen.
In other words, you’re spouting something that isn’t true …
and even more simply ..
you’re lying..
again.
OK Evil, let’s all just pack up and move back to wherever our ancestors came here from hundreds of years ago.
It’s far too late for that. The damage has been done.
What you need to realize, d2, is that every time you wail on and on about illegal immigrants – and you do that a lot – you’re being hypocritical in the extreme.
Your ancestors came to a land where long-established nations were deemed “inferior” and “savage,” making it somehow “acceptable” for the European invaders to obliterate them.
Were the Europeans here legally? They thought so. They thought they had every right to occupy the land and take it away from the native peoples.
I doubt the native peoples thought the Europeans had any such right. I’m sure you can imagine the international uproar if any such thing of remotely similar scale happened anywhere on the globe today.
As a descendent of those European invaders, you continue to believe that this land somehow “belongs” to you and that native peoples have no claim to it beyond the meager reservations to which they have been relegated.
Yet you’re the first to scream bloody murder when an “illegal” immigrant moves here with no less moral right to occupancy than that claimed by your own ancestors.
You think it was OK for your ancestors to occupy land once claimed by native peoples. But you think it’s not OK for someone else to come here and occupy that same land today. And you think that only because today you are the one claiming occupancy.
To summarize, it was OK for your ancestors to occupy someone else’s land, but today it’s not OK for someone else to occupy the same land because it is now you who claim it.
You’re a piece of work, d2.
This is the problem .. people spreading lies about what can be done about healthcare on both sides.
We can’t get anywhere because politicians are worried they won’t get elected.
All these people spreading lies don’t give a rat’s bottom about this country ..
they just care about their own 2 cents.
EBF ..
you left out the part about his racism issues ..
EBF ..
you left out the part about his racism issues ..
One topic at a time, Greg, one topic at a time. We wouldn’t want to overload any of d2’s circuits, now, would we?
Nothing straw about it.
Right …Right…
Rising heat content and melting glaciers are contributing to ocean levels steadily rising, no matter what the weather in Daytona Beach was last month or how cold it was in Ely last week.
I Agree. But that’s not what I asked you.
I asked the a simple question;
“can you enlighten us on how long our oceans have been rising?”
According to NASA it’s roughly 25,000 years.
www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/
Be sure to take a look at the graph. See any trends in there.
Oh, a friendly warning. Before you pick some lines favorable to your position out of that link.
Be sure to read it all.
“We can’t get anywhere because politicians are worried they won’t get elected.
It starts with the fact that they can’t p:ss off the money. The majority of which comes from the extremes.
All these people spreading lies don’t give a rat’s bottom about this country ..
they just care about their own 2 cents.”
And the slightly more than 2 cents they get from the extreme ends of the Bell Curve.
‘Can liberation lead to less happiness?’
Why, of course it can. As by limited elemental forces it can be manipulated into a wholey different style of oppression. A style steeped darkly into the way of the 1st 2,000 years before christ.
Keep in mind this is not an attack on the scurvey muslim pigs that cowardly killed thousands to bring down a steel and concrete structure.
Evil,
Are you seeing that we should welcome law breaking illegal aliens in by the millions and give them welfare, free healthcare, amnesty, and the ability to vote in liberal politicians promising to “spread the wealth around” simply because you’re not happy about the way the Indians were terated when our ancestors came here hundreds of years ago?
You liberals like to bad mouth the United States of America, but we have mainly been a force of good in the world, freeing millions of people from communists dictators, not to mention Germany’s head of their National Soci@list Party Adolph Hitler who murdered millions of Jews and would have probably taken over the world if not for us.
‘Can liberalization lead to less happiness?’
It can only lead to a weaker economy and more government control over our freedoms.
This Balloon thing..Tiny smells a rat.
“And the slightly more than 2 cents they get from the extreme ends of the Bell Curve. ”
It’s all about who gives the best present.
Ugh.
Had Larry on last night and was listening to this father and in not more then 30 seconds Tiny could smell a Rat.
I think we’ll find out today that this guy has made the rounds and pitched for a show about his family.
D2, do you even stop to review some of the things you write? At 12:43, you praise the US for “liberating” millions from communist dictators and liberating the world from Hitler, then 3 minutes later you state that “liberation” can only lead to a weaker economy and gov’t control over freedoms. So really, you’re for liberation except those times when you’re against it?
“can you enlighten us on how long our oceans have been rising?”
According to NASA it’s roughly 25,000 years.
Regardless, we missed our opportunity to reverse this, which came sometime between Jan 20th, 2001 and Jan 20th, 2009.
Leland, again, I was being sarcastic. I think fining people is a ridiculous notion. But instead of voting people out of office because they want to fine you, how about voting people out of office who aren’t working to provide you with affordable healthcare?
No, I’m not female, but even if I were, I wouldn’t date you. I’d be a gold digger and only date guys who were fully insured. :)
And the slightly more than 2 cents they get from the extreme ends of the Bell Curve.
The rich end and the poor end.
I wonder who gets better represented?
Had Larry on last night and was listening to this father and in not more then 30 seconds Tiny could smell a Rat
Meanwhile, the kid puked on national television this morning. His friends are NEVER going to let him live that down.
Regardless, we missed our opportunity to reverse this, which came sometime between Jan 20th, 2001 and Jan 20th, 2009.
Much better to fuel it. Burn baby burn.
Note to future generations: F. U.
“Since 1970, the Earth’s heat content has been rising at a rate of 6 x 1021 Joules per year. In more meaningful terms, the planet has been accumulating energy at a rate of 190,260 GigaWatts. Considering a typical nuclear power plant has an output of 1 GigaWatt, imagine 190,000 nuclear power plants pouring their energy output directly into our oceans.”
What could go wrong? Burn baby burn!
I wish they’d make hooch legal.
“son Falcon Heene balloon boy found”
My son Urinal Cake is in his last year of college.
“imagine 190,000 nuclear power plants pouring their energy output directly into our oceans.”
Imagine the calamity when the permafrost melts.
“son Falcon Heene balloon boy found”
If I ever havbe a kid, I’m naming him Falcon Icehole.
Falcon Permafrost Icehole
“Be sure to read it all.”
Reading sure can be enlightening. So much to learn out there! For instance, we’re learning more about the Western Antartic Ice Sheet all the time. Check this link out:
http://geology.com/research/west-antarctic-ice-sheet.shtml
While this article doesn’t make the slam dunk conclusions tluck and DD seem to find on either side of their coin, it certainly should give both sides something to think about.
Why do you ask Two Dogs …….
Greatest joke ever ( next to the long face one )
In more meaningful terms, the planet has been accumulating energy at a rate of 190,260 GigaWatts.
It would be even more meaningful if you were to break that down into an increase in heatflow, measured in total watts per square kilometer.
Post the results here.
I’d like to introduce you to my sons Neil and Bob.
“If I ever havbe a kid, I’m naming him Falcon Icehole.”
GigaWatts FVckhole
“Be sure to read it all.”
While you’re at it, here’s ome more reading for ya:
http://geology.com/research/west-antarctic-ice-sheet.shtml
So much to read, so little time.
“While you’re at it, here’s ome more reading for ya:”
Wow, thanks rumphole.
two dogs and rumphole.
rumphole? is that scandinavian something
“What could go wrong? Burn baby burn!”
Dan you’re doing the worrying and hand ringing for 192,260 people.
Dan I dont know about you Im actually looking forward to the days when the world looks like ‘Mad Max’. Cruising around the desert wearing sholder pads and carrying a sawed off shotgun looking for oil seems like a good time to me.
“Cruising around the desert wearing sholder pads and carrying a sawed off shotgun looking for oil seems like a good time to me.”
Oil for your strap on.
Note to future generations: F. U.
Note to future generations.
You are merely one of millions of species to inhabit this planet over the course of billions of years. 99% of those species are now extinct. It would be unreasonable to think that you are somehow special, and chosen to remain the top species forever. The history of nature has shown that many times in the past, for many reasons, the Earth’s climate has undergone drastic change that has often resulted in the extinction of the top species.
In short, F.U.
“Considering a typical nuclear power plant has an output of 1 GigaWatt”
How many Gigawatts were needed to power the flux capacitor?
Oh, a friendly warning. Before you pick some lines favorable to your position out of that link.
Be sure to read it all.
I did read it all. The filters here are blocking my posting the last two paragraphs, but I recommend you read them again and then keep in mind that this was published almost three years ago. Since then they’ve already shown the ice sheets melting at much faster rates than even these estimates predicted.
Dan you’re doing the worrying and hand ringing for 192,260 people.
I just hate seeing the economic potential (and subsequent JOBS) that investing in alternative energy and high efficiency systems would create here ceded to the Europeans while we placate the denialists and the F_ck the Future Generations crowd. Personally I wouldn’t mind a longer summer season around here.
How many Gigawatts were needed to power the flux capacitor?
I believe it was a gigashltload.
“I believe it was a gigashltload.”
BZZZZZZZZZTTT!!!
It was 1.21
“I just hate seeing the economic potential (and subsequent JOBS) that investing in alternative energy and high efficiency systems would create here ceded to the Europeans while we placate the denialists and the F_ck the Future Generations crowd. Personally I wouldn’t mind a longer summer season around here.”
Probably should have put some of that stimulus money into this. Wonder why that didnt happen? Oh thats right, the DEMS were playing politics.
Wonder why that didnt happen?
There’s not enough of an industrial base of manufacturers built up yet to have an effective lobby to push back against the fossil fuel interests.
Oh thats right, the DEMS were playing politics.
Now, now. A good “moderate” would blame both sides equally.
“Now, now. A good “moderate” would blame both sides equally.”
If power was shared equally. The GOP doesnt have enought power right now to get their parking validated.
“Leland, again, I was being sarcastic. I think fining people is a ridiculous notion. But instead of voting people out of office because they want to fine you, how about voting people out of office who aren’t working to provide you with affordable healthcare?”
Okay, Mr Earsell. I appreciate your opinion.
I have a couple deals that might work, and I may have more money again. Then I can get insurance again.
I still don’t want anyone to get fined, especially if they are broke. I think it’s irresponsible to fine someone for not buying something they can’t afford.
Mr Earsell, I know now from your post that you don’t want people fined either, so we agree on that. Peace, brother.
the F_ck the Future Generations crowd
Yay! I’ve got my own label!
Can’t resist, must post, must post….
Winter may be on the warm side, NOAA says - 10/16/2009
Brrrr! First half of October the coldest ever - 10/17/2009
It seems that while we can predict the long term climate changes with balls on accuracy, those short term predictions are a real mother.
ttp://www.startribune.com/photos/?c=y&img=1lohan101709.jpg
I give Lindsey Lohan 3 months tops before she’s face down in vomit and ODed in a bathroom someplace.
“D2, do you even stop to review some of the things you write? At 12:43, you praise the US for “liberating” millions from communist dictators and liberating the world from Hitler, then 3 minutes later you state that “liberation” can only lead to a weaker economy and gov’t control over freedoms.”
I never said that Ersall. Go back and read it again.
“Brrrr! First half of October the coldest ever - 10/17/2009″
I heard that today as well.
More proof of “Globull Warming”!
Report: 1 in 8 Female Students Pregnant at Chicago High School:
Of the 800 female students at Paul Robeson High School in Chicago, Ill., 115 are expectant mothers, CBS2Chicago.com reported Thursday.
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,567761,00.html?test=latestnews
I’m glad Obama’s “Community Organizing” in Chicago was such a huge success. Now America is getting screwed.
Leland, peace to you too.
D2, I re-read it…that’s exactly what you said. You obviously only want liberation that suits you.
“D2, I re-read it…that’s exactly what you said.”
No I didn’t, read it again SLOWLY…
“D2’s idea of just going without is irresponsible at best since someone could incur a huge bill and not be able to pay it .. and it ends up on our backs.”
OK Liberal Greg. If we are going to force healthy young and single people to buy expensive health insurance so they won’t become a burden on taxpayers, then you should have no problem requiring welfare recipients to be on birth control in order to get taxpayer money and benefits (so they won’t be a greater burder on taxpayers)?
I’ll bet vitually all of the 115 pregnant girls at that H.S. in Chicago were products of single welfare mothers themselves.
hey there.
I’m done canning fruits and vegis for awhile, or atleast till the end of my index finger grows back. Never thought a peeler was sharp enough to go through fingernail and skin to the bone. sure did hate to throw out that batch of apple butter….second thoughts, yes, but I tossed it anyway.
BQ is dead. Ouch. No eulogy or hotdish. Damn.
Sooo, I’ll skip the usual Downtown-danno glubull warming argument. There is this though -
“I’m not a racist. I just don’t believe in mixing the races that way,” Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. “I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else.”
Now I would bet, if I were a betting man, that Hitler, had he been interviewed by the AP, would have said that he has “piles and piles of jewish friends”.
P.S.
My dogs drink from the toilet and I have yet to be converted to beastiality.
Balloon Boy Vomits During Live Interview on Today Show (watch video!):
www.breitbart.tv/balloon-boy-vomits-during-live-interview-on-today-show/
“Balloon Boy Vomits During Live Interview on Today Show”
I think his dad might be vomiting when the kid spills the beans and the cops charge him with filing a false police report.
“No I didn’t, read it again SLOWLY…”
Like your reading a polock joke outloud to polocks.
“I think his dad might be vomiting when the kid spills the beans and the cops charge him with filing a false police report.”
Some people will do anything for attention.
D2,
Globull Warming at it’s finest-
For six days last winter, northwest Oregon and southwest Washington saw anywhere from 6 inches to 22 inches of snow. It was, according to the National Weather Service, the largest snowfall the region had seen in 40 years. And the 18.9inches of snow in Portland made it the snowiest December in nearly 70 years.
“No I didn’t, read it again SLOWLY…”
Do you think I’ll get an apology out of Erksall? Hell no!
November 1st, studded tires can be mounted on vehicles. this year for sure.
erksall is from the BQ and you know how they can be.
“Globull Warming at it’s finest-”
It’s been much colder than normal all over the country (and globe) the past few years, and Polar Ice is expanding.
Thanks for the update GO! More proof of “Globull Warming”!
Let’s quickly pass Cap & Tax before it gets any colder!
“erksall is from the BQ and you know how they can be.”
Erksall is probably DFL Dora in disguise.
“Let’s quickly pass Cap & Tax before it gets any colder!”
I say Slash and Burn!!!! Why should the 3rd world have all the fun!!!!
D2,
I was going to ask you to let up on liberl greg because he’s brain dead. but then I got to thinking that If you let one brain dead liberal off the hook you gotta leat all liberals go because they are all pretty much brain dead.HA!
“If you let one brain dead liberal off the hook you gotta leat all liberals go because they are all pretty much brain dead.HA!”
I’m sure many of them like Greg are nice people, but to be so liberal like that you can’t be the brightest bulb on the tree.
“WASHINGTON – Pigs in Minnesota may have tested positive for the H1N1 virus in a preliminary test”
O.T. has H1N1?
I did read it all. The filters here are blocking my posting the last two paragraphs, but I recommend you read them again and then keep in mind that this was published almost three years ago. Since then they’ve already shown the ice sheets melting at much faster rates than even these estimates predicted.
You’re missing the point. None of this is unprecedented, or unusual if you look at the BIG picture.
Burn baby burn!
BOO!!!
Burn baby burn!
“but to be so liberal like that you can’t be the brightest bulb on the tree.”
Thats why they are pushing the madated CFL law. So we can all be, equally dim.
“O.T. has H1N1?”
It’s spread through donuts. (Just kidding O.T.)
“WASHINGTON – Pigs in Minnesota may have tested positive for the H1N1 virus in a preliminary test”
O.T. has H1N1?
HA!!! Dtroll too!!
Tluck you dog. How dare you speak lightly of the globull predick-a-mint we find ourselves in these days. SHAME.
“Thats why they are pushing the madated CFL law. So we can all be, equally dim.”
And mercury kills brain cells. Or is that lead?
Tluck you dog. How dare you speak lightly of the globull predick-a-mint we find ourselves in these days. SHAME.
I gave up on organized religion a long time ago!
“Oil up to near $78 as weeklong rally continues”
Maybe Obama will soon get his wish of $4 dollar/gallon gasoline and he can REALLY drive our economy into the ground.
is it possible to drive a crashed economy further into the ground?
“I gave up on organized religion a long time ago!”
Me tooo. I only organize my underwear by color. brown in the back, yellow in the front. unless I drank too much, then it might be yellow in the back. But never, ever brown in the front.
“is it possible to drive a crashed economy further into the ground?”
We’re not quite like Zimbabwe yet, but Obama is hell bent on bringing us down to that turd world status. His printing and spending of money we don’t have is ruining the value of the dollar, and if the rest of the world shy’s away from it, we’re in for major problems.
Again, Obama and the democrat soci@lsit party are destroying our economy on purpose so government can step in and “rescue” it by controlling everything.
My daughter Cotton Tampon.
Kill me or better yet support ObamaCare. When I’m 70 and sitting in the wheelchair head sagging down towards the floor yelling Bull Sh^t predictably every couple minutes, I don’t want the new hip I want the Morphine.
is it possible to drive a crashed economy further into the ground?
You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!
“I don’t want the new hip I want the Morphine.”
I think we all agree on that!!
Tiny lites, bringing the world together.
U.S. troop funds diverted to pet projects:
Study finds $2.6 billion taken from guns and ammunition.
$20 Million for Kennedy Institute!
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet-projects/
People should be outraged!
“Tiny lites, bringing the world together.”
Cokes for everyone…..
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Sorry Guys,
My son got on the keyboard when I turned my back.
Pot should be legal.
D2 should not be.
Are you seeing that we should welcome law breaking illegal aliens in by the millions
Why, d2, have you had some kind of epiphany and changed your mind?
Oh, I see. You meant to type, “Are you saying,” not “Are you seeing.” No epiphany after all; just a typo.
But no, d2, I am not saying any such thing. My post addressed only your hypocrisy, not my opinions about U.S. immigration law. You posed your question in a feeble effort to deflect our attention away from your hypocritical opinions.
Sorry, but it didn’t work. We’re not that easily distracted. Better luck next time….
you’re not happy about the way the Indians were terated when our ancestors came here hundreds of years ago
I’m not particularly happy about how they’ve been treated during my own lifetime, not to mention the lives of my ancestors.
Are you saying that Native Americans have been treated fairly and have benefited from Europeans invading the Americas?
Of course you’re not, but I can play your games too, d2.
we have mainly been a force of good in the world
A matter of opinion not shared by all people of the world, and entirely irrelevant to any discussion about U.S. transgressions past or present. The reason it’s irrelevant is because you can’t justify, minimize or erase a wrong committed against someone by doing a good deed for someone else later.
But you seem to be saying otherwise (there’s that “are you saying” game again, d2!).
Pot should be legal.
D2 should not be.
I know! I know! Constitutional amendments!!
“My son got on the keyboard when I turned my back. ”
The good news is .. he’s already far more intelligent.
The bad news is he is still going to be influenced in the ways of his fascist father …
Pot should be legal.
D2 should not be.
Yes and n… n… n… no.
Damn constitution!!
“The bad news is he is still going to be influenced in the ways of his fascist father …”
I’ll bet $100,000 bloggers that he’s got a crew cut.
“I know! I know! Constitutional amendments!!”
I should run for office … I can’t do much worse that what’s there.
This is my platform..
Pot should be legal and D2 shouldn’t.
“I’ll bet $100,000 bloggers that he’s got a crew cut. ”
People should be outraged!
“But you seem to be saying otherwise (there’s that “are you saying” game again, d2!).”
Ahhh, Nothin’ better than the smell of overloaded circuits in the evening!!!
This is my platform..
Pot should be legal and D2 shouldn’t.
You’ve got my vote!
Ahhh, Nothin’ better than the smell of overloaded circuits in the evening!!!
I like to think of it as one of autumn’s special aromas! And no one can accuse us of not being generous; we both used the unconditional plural “circuits”….
Winter may be on the warm side, NOAA says - 10/16/2009
And the first day of winter is…
Class?
“And the first day of winter is…”
Great. Downtown Ground Hog has reared his ugly head and cast a spell of 6 more weeks of globull warming.
It’s been much colder than normal all over the country (and globe) the past few years, and Polar Ice is expanding.
Thanks for the update GO! More proof
Thurs., Sept . 17, 2009
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Summer sea ice in the Arctic sunk to its third lowest level since satellite records began in 1979, researchers reported Thursday,
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32902977/ns/us_news-environment/
25 February 2009
Scientists Find Bigger Than Expected Polar Ice Thaw -
Scientists said polar icecaps are melting at a much faster pace than expected - fueling rapid climate change and raising the specter of an unprecedented and dangerous rise in sea levels.A Polar Year statement Wednesday said researchers found Arctic Sea ice levels at their lowest point since satellites began measuring the northern ice mass three decades ago.
Arctic Sea Ice At Lowest Recorded Level Ever
ScienceDaily (Sep. 16, 2008) — Arctic sea ice may well have reached its lowest volumes ever, as summer ice coverage of the Arctic Sea looks set to be close to last year’s record lows, with thinner ice overall.
Final figures on minimum ice coverage for 2008 are expected in a matter of days, but they are already flirting with last year’s record low of 1.59 million square miles, or 4.13 million square kilometres.
“If you take reduced ice thickness into account, there is probably less ice overall in the Arctic this year than in any other year since monitoring began,” said Martin Sommerkorn, WWF International Arctic Programme’s Senior Climate Change Advisor.
“This is also the first year that the Northwest Passage over the top of North America, and the Northeast Passage over the top of Russia are both free of ice.”
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080915162428.htm
And this is my favorite, MORE PROOF from FOX NEWS:
World in Hot Water as Ocean Temperatures Reach Record High - WASHINGTON — July was the hottest month for the world’s oceans in almost 130 years of record-keeping.
Fox link:
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541222,00.html
Even FOX NEWS can’t keep up the charade.
Once more, because this is just too good.
D2: “It’s been much colder than normal all over the country (and globe) the past few years”
FOX NEWS: “July was the hottest month for the world’s oceans in almost 130 years of record-keeping.”
VIDEO: Dennis Miller on Al Gore: Beware of the prophet seeking profit’
“July was the hottest month for the world’s oceans in almost 130 years of record-keeping.”
Which is why Daytona Beach sitting right on the extremely warm Atlantic Ocean recently set a record cold temperature.
“And the first day of winter is… Class…”
It seems like it was sometime last week D.T. with all this “Globull Warming”. The first 2 weeks of October were the coldest on record.
No, my son doesn’t have a crew cut.
And Greg, you never answered my question:
If healthy young and single people are forced by Obama to buy expensive health insurance to eliminate the remote possibility that they might become burdens to taxpayers, should welfare recipients be required to be on birth control to eliminate the possibility that they won’t become greater burdens on taxpayers?
Yawwwnnn….
“If healthy young and single people are forced by Obama to buy expensive health insurance”
How much is it? Do you know it’s expensive?
“to eliminate the remote possibility that they might become burdens to taxpayers”
Okay .. how much is it to get a full run of blood tests and an MRI right now D2? Is that so ‘remote’?
“should welfare recipients be required to be on birth control to eliminate the possibility that they won’t become greater burdens on taxpayers? ”
Wouldn’t bother me. In fact, if their health benefits pay for it then maybe they would ..
however ..
I think you’d see a big frown on the face of the christian coalition.
And even though you’re trying to avoid the real questions which were brought towards you .. again .. how much do you think would be saved? Actually, how much WOULD be saved. Do you know?
Please answer ALL the questions. Directly without any straw attached or misdirection please?
P.S. Hitler liked the idea of sterilization which is exactly where you’re going with your idea. You’ve got alot in common with him.
Which is why Daytona Beach sitting right on the extremely warm Atlantic Ocean recently set a record cold temperature.
Fox. News.
Are you saying Fox News is lying? If not, how could the oceans be at record high temps and Daytona Beach still set a record cold? Does the jet stream even bring northern air south? Is Daytona “the globe?” Is there more land or water covering the planet?
“Are you saying Fox News is lying?”
Maybe they were given false information. Now that the left is looking foolish over not only non-warming land temps but record and long lasting cold, they are concentrating their efforts on ocean temps which people have no way to witness for themselves. I’m sure these “measurements” are as accurate as the flawed Coleman/Franken “recount”.
“How much is it? Do you know it’s expensive?”
Show me some cheap good health insurance Greg.
“Okay .. how much is it to get a full run of blood tests and an MRI right now D2?”
We need to lower healthcare costs, no question about it, starting with tort reform and controlling illegal immigration. In the meantime, healthy people who choose not to buy expensive health insurance and pay out of pocket MAY have to go into debt in the rare event of high medical costs.
“Wouldn’t bother me.”
Good I’m glad we agree. Welfare recipients should have to be on birth control to continue living off of taxpayers. Done!
“I think you’d see a big frown on the face of the christian coalition.”
It’s not a Christian value for single women to have many children with different fathers and paid to sit on their asses watching Ofrah at taxpayers expense.
“how much do you think would be saved?”
Like tort reform, more than enough would be saved to make it worth the effort.
“P.S. Hitler liked the idea of sterilization which is exactly where you’re going with your idea. You’ve got a lot in common with him.”
Asking people living at taxpayers expense to be responsible and not put themselves in deeper poverty by having additional kids until can work themselves out of poverty by developing job skills and getting a job is a no brainer Greg. It helps the country and the welfare recipient.
Forced sterilization sounds more like something the democrat soci@list party would consider with their hunger for power Greg. We already know that with government run healthcare, beurocrats decide which elderly person gets to live and who has to die under rationing. I even heard a guy interviewed on the Chris Baker show the other day who was from England, and his 59 year old father needed both knees replaced, but government beurocrats decided he was TOO YOUNG for the operation. Even though he was in great pain, they wanted to wait until he was older so he would only need ONE surgury on his knees during his lifetime.
“Cap-and-Trade Would Slow Economy, CBO Chief Says”
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/14/AR2009101404054.html?hpid=topnews
More proof that the democrat soci@list party is trying to kill capitalism and our economy.
“July was the hottest month for the world’s oceans in almost 130 years of record-keeping.”
YAWN
Let’s see. 130 dived by 5 billion. Damn that’s a lot of zeros.
“July was the hottest month for the world’s oceans in almost 130 years of record-keeping.”
And I’m sure these studies were conducted the exact same way in the late 1800’s as they are today D.T.? Were they concerned about global warming or global cooling at that time? In the 70’s, you remember that the liberal alarmists were warning us of “Global Cooling” which is more accurate.
“Show me some cheap good health insurance Greg.”
How much is it? Come on .. you made the claim now fess it up .. or are you lying again?
“We need to lower healthcare costs, no question about it, starting with tort reform and controlling illegal immigration. In the meantime, healthy people who choose not to buy expensive health insurance and pay out of pocket MAY have to go into debt in the rare event of high medical costs. ”
So your original comment was BS too huh?
You have SQUAT to base those comments on other than your ideology and your racism issue.
“It’s not a Christian value for single women to have many children with different fathers and paid to sit on their asses watching Ofrah at taxpayers expense. ”
Nope, but you sure do want to force your values on them .. I say if you want it then you pay the bill.
“Like tort reform, more than enough would be saved to make it worth the effort. ”
WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS????? SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!
“Asking people living at taxpayers expense to be responsible and not put themselves in deeper poverty by having additional kids until can work themselves out of poverty by developing job skills and getting a job is a no brainer Greg. It helps the country and the welfare recipient.
Forced sterilization sounds more like something the democrat soci@list party would consider with their hunger for power Greg. We already know that with government run healthcare, beurocrats decide which elderly person gets to live and who has to die under rationing. I even heard a guy interviewed on the Chris Baker show the other day who was from England, and his 59 year old father needed both knees replaced, but government beurocrats decided he was TOO YOUNG for the operation. Even though he was in great pain, they wanted to wait until he was older so he would only need ONE surgury on his knees during his lifetim”
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
You have NOTHING to base this on other than some other idiot throwing it out of thier pie hole and you being enough of a moron to take it as gospel.
I’ve been watching Sons of Anarchy this year ..
Those new guys on the block .. the AB’s ..
That leader of the AB’s..
he reminds me very much of you D2 .. very, very much.
Greg, I watch it too. A little like the Sopranos. The writings not quite as good, but the bikes make up for that.
I think the AB’s are a little too bright for D2. They temper their extremist views to be able to function in society. D2’s incapable of that. He can’t even admit writing contradictory statements 3 minutes apart.
“I’ve been watching Sons of Anarchy this year ..”
From the looks of your photo on your gayspace page, you should be watching your weight.
“He can’t even admit writing contradictory statements 3 minutes apart.”
And you can’t even admit that you’re wrong Earfull, I said “Liberization”, not “Liberation”. Go back and check yourself (Oct. 16, 12:46).
That should be “Liberalization”.
“WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS????? SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!”
Here ya go Greg, enjoy!
************************************
Tort Reform Could Save $54 Billion, CBO Says:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/09/AR2009100904271.html
Again Greg, the democrat party has blocked all attempts at much needed tort reform in the past because trial lawyers are paying them off to do so.
People should be outraged!
“From the looks of your photo on your gayspace page”
And Liberal Greg, if you get your wish and we are forced to live under soci@listic ObamaCare, you will probably be taxed more for being overweight.
Greg, on your gayspace page, I noticed a picture of you at a bar enjoying an adult beverage and a pack of Marlboro’s. You do understand that activity like that will be a major offense under ObamaCare, don’t you?
In the 70’s, you remember that the liberal alarmists were warning us of “Global Cooling” which is more accurate.
Do you ever get tired of being proven wrong?
The notion that the 1970s scientific consensus was for impending global cooling is incorrect. In actuality, there were significantly more papers in the 1970s predicting warming than cooling.
Most predictions of an impending ice age came from the popular press (eg - Newsweek, NY Times, National Geographic, Time Magazine). As far as peer reviewed scientific papers in the 1970s, very few papers (7 in total) predicted global cooling. Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming due to CO2.
www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm
Maybe they were given false information.
You’re hunch is right, scientific studies are wrong. Riiiiight. Do you also think fossils were planted by scientists trying to “prove” the earth isn’t 6,000 years old?
There you go again Downtown Dem, referring us to parody website.
“Do you also think fossils were planted by scientists trying to “prove” the earth isn’t 6,000 years old?”
Did I ever say I thought the earth is 6,000 years old? No I didn’t. I’m sure most people who don’t buy into the “Globull Warming” hoax don’t believe that either.
There you go again Downtown Dem, referring us to parody website.
The difference between the site I link to run by a physicist with an emphasis in solar physics, and the parody site you prefer, is that your site is run by scientifically illiterate people who major only in propaganda, refuse to provide links to any peer reviewed scientific literature, and fail to provide any scientific, as opposed to anecdotal, evidence to back their claims.
Did I ever say I thought the earth is 6,000 years old?
But that is the level of your scientific literacy. Don’t like it? Stop being a moron who thinks one city’s record cold disproves the entire ocean’s record warm. Even Fox News has given up fighting the evidence.
“From the looks of your photo on your gayspace page, you should be watching your weight.”
Not anymore. Friggin’ boca burgers.
“Greg, on your gayspace page, I noticed a picture of you at a bar enjoying an adult beverage and a pack of Marlboro’s. You do understand that activity like that will be a major offense under ObamaCare, don’t you?”
Um .. I’m pretty sure that’s not an adult beverage unless you consider coffee an adult beverage.
And how will this be a ‘major offense’?
or is this just something you made up ..
like most things.
“Even Fox News has given up fighting the evidence.”
It’s the other way around D.T., even liberals are starting to reject Algore’s propaganda (which he is becoming FILTY RICH off of).
“Um .. I’m pretty sure that’s not an adult beverage unless you consider coffee an adult beverage.”
But you do admit to the heaters?
“Not anymore. Friggin’ boca burgers.”
Is that like Antelope?
“Tort Reform Could Save $54 Billion, CBO Says:”
Could? That’s far from ‘will’.
See, you’re so glued to your ideology and the potential that something good might come from a party you don’t like, that you’re willing to stretch the truth and outright lie.
You are an outrage.
“Could? That’s far from ‘will’.”
That’s a pretty lame rebuttal Greg.
“But you do admit to the heaters? ”
Sh!t yeah. I still smoke 3 cigs a day.
Doc would like me to stop, but all my blood levels and everything is good ..
Now tell me about all these major offenses D2.
What are you going to be charged for being a moron?
I’ll bet your moron charges are gonna be higher than my cig charges.
Interstingly enough .. you fail to answer the question.
You failed to admit you’re not part of the AB’s D2.
“That’s a pretty lame rebuttal Greg.”
That wasn’t a rebuttal .. that was fact unlike what you’re attempting to preach.
Shouldn’t you be washing your sheets or something?
And Liberal Greg, if you get your wish and we are forced to live under soci@listic ObamaCare, you will probably be taxed more for being overweight.
Based on what I saw at the Giorgio Walmarti boutique this afternoon, a fat tax should be able to get the national debt paid off by next Thursday.
“Sh!t yeah. I still smoke 3 cigs a day.”
I know a woman who has lung cancer, knows she is dying, but still smokes like a chimney. I just don’t get it.
Smoking caused the cancer in the first place, so why does she want to cut her life even shorter?
Smokers are penalized by insurance companies for their behaviors, shouldn’t also people who’s behaviors put them at a higher risk for AIDS Greg?
“Giorgio Walmarti boutique”
Did WalMart expand to cater to more expensive tastes?
“Smokers are penalized by insurance companies for their behaviors, shouldn’t also people who’s behaviors put them at a higher risk for AIDS Greg? ”
No.
But people who are total morons should ..
how much is your fine?
“No.”
Greg, AIDS treatments cost a ton of money, so why shouldn’t homosexual men who contract the vast majority of it because of risky behavior have to pay higher premiums, just like smokers do? After all, gay men typical have a lot more cash to throw around and donate to the democrat party than the rest of us.
Anyone notice D2 hasn’t denied being part of the AB?
Fascist D2 ..
you’re an idiot and use a chainsaw. Should people have to pay higher premiums?
“Anyone notice D2 hasn’t denied being part of the AB?”
What’s the AB Liberal Greg?
“use a chainsaw. Should people have to pay higher premiums?”
Typical soci@list… Penalize people who do hard work hard while rewarding welfare scum who have lots of kids at taxpayers expense while eating bon bons and watching Ofrah instruct her viewers to vote liberal democrat.
Joe Buck, the announcer for the Yankee’s playoff game just announced how unusually cold it’s been for the playoffs the last couple of years. I can’t believe the liberal network allowed him to get away with that observation!
What an unusually warm day in Minnesota today! Just 10F degrees below average!
More proof of “Globull Warming”!
Damn the luck! They yanked the “illegal alien” holloween costume from the Target website.
“Typical soci@list… Penalize people who do hard work hard while rewarding welfare scum who have lots of kids at taxpayers expense while eating bon bons and watching Ofrah instruct her viewers to vote liberal democrat. ”
Yep .. you’re AB alright.
Yep .. you’re liberal alright.
“Even Fox News has given up fighting the evidence.”
It’s the other way around D.T.,
Hmmm, let me check this again.
World in Hot Water as Ocean Temperatures Reach Record High - WASHINGTON — July was the hottest month for the world’s oceans in almost 130 years of record-keeping.
Fox link:
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541222,00.html
Record high ocean temps. Check.
Fox news link. Check.
D2 denying reality that even FOX NEWS admits to. CHECK and MATE.
Do you ever get tired of being proven wrong?
Pot.
Kettle.
130 years of record-keeping.
Lot’s of zero’s DD.
Unless you believe the earth is only 6000 yrs. old. Then there’s only a couple.
“D2 denying reality that even FOX NEWS admits to. CHECK and MATE.”
Fox news reporting this BS just proves that they aren’t as biased as you liberals claim D.T. News outlets have reported false information many times in the past, remember Dan Rather?
Pot.
Kettle.
I pointed out directly where D2 was proven wrong. Maybe you can point back to anywhere I was proven wrong.
Maybe you can point back to anywhere I was proven wrong.
Oh, who am I kidding. You’re the same as D2, if not quite as clumsy. Reality is whatever you want it to be, and contrary to common belief, you are untitled to your own facts. IOKIYAR.
G l o b u l l
W a r m i n g
A g a i n?
Katurine,
I would have thought by now we would be debating the “Christmas tree vs Holiday tree” saga.
heck, even target is getting into the holiday spirit with their “illegal alien” costume.
thanksgiving is around the corner and no attacks on the left for trying to take god out of it or for trying to vilify the pilgims for killing the indians with disease.
Columbus day rolls by without a peep from you on the lefts contention that all the europeans brought to the new world was death and destruction.
I think KK’s column died along with the BQ and nobody is going to tell us until the corpse starts to rot.
and what the heck does “IOKIYAR” mean, DD?
”
War on terror? Later!
War on unemployment? Not now!
War in Afghanistan? We’ll get back to you!
War in Iraq? What war in Iraq?
War on the deficit? Ummmm….
War on FoxNews? Priorities! All hands on deck! Charge! ”
poor che and his fellow euthenasiacrats.
i havent seen this level of paranoia in any administration since the nixon days. i hope it works out just as well for them.
“i havent seen this level of paranoia in any administration since the nixon days. ”
Are you Karl Rove?
GO
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“I think KK’s column died along with the BQ and nobody is going to tell us until the corpse starts to rot.”
I noticed that Katherine didn’t have her Sunday column in the Strib for two weeks in a row now. If the Strib canned her again, I wish they’d let readers know about it. Hopefully she’s just on vacation.
“Are you Karl Rove? ”
no , but i am his first cousin from his third marriage whose second mother begot the 7th son.
but we did have lunch down on highway 61.
While at church today, the Pastor spoke out about the ELCA and how it voted to go against the Bible’s teachings and endorse gay marriage, and how our church doesn’t support this move. He said that one of the left’s arguments is “Jesus loves all people”. Yes, this is true, but much like when your child acts up, you love them but don’t approve of their behavior. Another of the left’s positions for pushing gay marriage was “People who wrote the Bible didn’t really know much about homosexuality”. This is completely false, and it occured back then probably as often as it does today.
He also said that some of these liberal churches would read quotes from Virginia Wolf and put sage on the alter to ward off evil spirits instead of teaching from the Bible.
It sounds like the ELCA’s decision is causing problems for them with not only churches in the US like mine which is considering severing ties, but churches all around the world have already broken off relationships.
It’s sad to see liberalism infiltrate and destroy a good organization like this.
“Hopefully she’s just on vacation. ”
Agreed.
“but we did have lunch down on highway 61. ”
remind me please?
It’s sad to see liberalism infiltrate and destroy a good organization like this.
I think that’s exactly what the Rabbis were saying when Jesus started preaching.
“It’s sad to see liberalism infiltrate and destroy a good organization like this. ”
Then go someplace else.
Many people do that.
He also said that some of these liberal churches would read quotes from Virginia Wolf and put sage on the alter to ward off evil spirits instead of teaching from the Bible.
So, who is afraid of Virginia Wolf?
Evil spirits, AKA the boogeyman?
“Then go someplace else.”
My ELCA church doesn’t endorse homosexual marriage Greg. If they did, I would leave.
This is completely false, and it occured back then probably as often as it does today.
How does this fact push the position that gay marriage should be outlawed?
2Dim, your minister is trying to scare the congregants into thinking people who support gay marriage aren’t really Christians. That’s bullsh1t, and he should be kicked out of the ELCA for saying irresponsible things like that — regardless of his position on gay marriage.
All the ELCA Lutherans I’ve spoken to tell me it’s pretty much business as usual since the ruling was made. Aside from wingnut congregations like yours (which was probably on its way out anyway with a kooky minister like your), it sounds like most ELCA Lutheran are okay with the decision.
It’s sad to see liberalism infiltrate and destroy a good organization like this.
Not really. If the organization is unwilling to live and let live, and dictate who should and shouldn’t have civil rights, it deserves to go the way of the Dodo.
“it deserves to go the way of the Dodo. ”
There’s probably a deeper meaning there someplace . . .
“it sounds like most ELCA Lutheran are okay with the decision.”
Not true SgtLiberalton!
Not true SgtLiberalton!
And I think we all know how tenuous your relationship with the truth is.
Even if Katherine did get canned again by the Strib, I suggest we keep this blog going as long as they keep it up.
What do you think Greg? Maybe you could start the next topic? Maybe something about cross dressing Harley riders?
“Not really. If the organization is unwilling to live and let live, and dictate who should and shouldn’t have civil rights, it deserves to go the way of the Dodo.”
Christianity is rooted in the Bible, and if the left is successful in rewriting Biblical teachings to suit their agenda, I guess true Christianity WILL go they way of the Dodo.
Mmmm… Nothing like an Elk Roast after spliting firewood. I’m glad my sister in Wyoming is such a good shot.
Goodnight all!
Way to go Vikes!
While at church today, the Pastor spoke out about the ELCA and how it voted to go against the Bible’s teachings and endorse gay marriage, and how our church doesn’t support this move.
d2, I support your church’s right to believe what it wishes, teach what it wishes, associate with the organizations it wishes, and – yes – marry whom it wishes.
I do not support your church trying to force everyone else to abide by its rules by promoting civil statutes and constitutional amendments.
“People who wrote the Bible didn’t really know much about homosexuality”. This is completely false, and it occured back then probably as often as it does today.
Of course they would have observed homosexual behavior, but they wouldn’t have understood it the way we understand it today. They did not understand reproduction as a function of cellular biology; indeed, their primitive understanding reduced women to “ovens” in which babies grew from a man’s “seed,” and they thought that any “seed” that was “spilled” in activities not aimed toward reproduction was “wasted,” as if there were limited quantities of it (which we know today is untrue, given that men can become fathers in their seventies and beyond).
Societal pressure to reproduce makes a lot of sense in a tribal context where survival is uncertain, so it should surprise no one that biblical peoples, with little to no understanding of science as we know it today, would strongly discourage any behavior seen as detrimental to the tribe. Continuation of the tribe through reproductive repopulation was of primary importance.
Societal pressure to reproduce does not make so much sense in today’s crowded world.
Many people today do not really understand homosexuality. They cling to old myths – claiming it’s a choice is the most obvious example – and refuse to consider any evidence that does not support their beliefs. This is partly because topics of a sexual nature are still considered taboo in the United States today, and partly because some people are uncomfortable having their beliefs, many of which go back to their childhoods, challenged.
It’s sad to see liberalism infiltrate and destroy a good organization like this.
A “good organization?” That’s debatable.
Personally, as a gay man and an atheist, I say good riddance to it. And I question whether it is “liberalism,” or simply the inevitable march of time, hastening its long-overdue demise.
Christianity is rooted in the Bible, and if the left is successful in rewriting Biblical teachings to suit their agenda, I guess true Christianity WILL go they way of the Dodo.
Maybe it already has.
Would Christians of the 19th century recognize Christianity today? How about Christians of the 15th century? The 10th? The 4th?
If Christians of centuries past could see what is today professed to be “Christianity,” they very well might conclude that Christianity – at least what they would call “Christianity” – went the way of the dodo a long time ago.
If you, d2, could look at Christianity – if it still exists – in the future – say 2500, 3000, 10,000 or 50,000 A.D. – do you honestly think it would resemble the faith you claim today?
Just me, but I thought christianity was supposed to include and not exclude …
again ..
this is why I like my church…
I really don’t think God minds it either.
“this is why I like my church…”
No matter if it follows the Bible’s teachings or not!
The bible according to D2 ..
“Be like me or you’re not a christian”
Just me, but I think the bible was to be interpreted by individuals ..
The bible according to D2 ..
“Be like me or you’re not a christian”
Not just d2. A lot of people feel this way.
I prefer this little twist: “If d2 is an example of what Christianity is all about, I want nothing to do with it, fine thank you.”
“Not just d2. A lot of people feel this way.”
Unfortunately, they tend to ruin something that could be good ..
for everyone.
Christianity is rooted in the Bible, and if the left is successful in rewriting Biblical teachings to suit their agenda…
And guess who’s actually trying to rewrite the Bible to suit their agenda. It’s not the Left, it’s THE RIGHT:
Forget attacking liberal bias in Hollywood or in the media. One group says it’s the Bible that’s gotten too progressive.
The Conservative Bible Project is leading the charge to deliberalize the Bible by using a Wikipedia-like Web site to correct what it calls “errors in conveying biblical meaning.”
On its Web site - which is emblazoned with an Old Glory logo above the words “The Trustworthy Encyclopedia” - the group is seeking to create a fully conservative translation of the Bible that follows 10 commandments, er, guidelines.
So conservatives are ACTIVELY ENGAGED in rewriting the Bible, and promoting their project to rewrite the Bible to suit their agenda, but in D2’s Bizarro World it’s liberals who are “rewriting” the Bible.
The stupidity boggles the mind.
DD..
Here’s a better link
conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
I give it a big ..
who cares.
I read a few bits of link ..
these people are nutz.
Oh, who am I kidding. You’re the same as D2, if not quite as clumsy.
You crossed the line there. In most likely the greastest example of projection I’ve ever seen.
I have never posted a “it’s the warmest/coolest, whatever/wherever, in decades/centuries” comment because I know it means nothing.
Unlike you and Dtroll.
Who do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over………
Reality is whatever you want it to be, and contrary to common belief, you are untitled to your own facts.
Reality requires persective. Which both you, and Dtroll lack on this issue and most others.
IOKIYAR
Throw around all the labels you want.
Sticks and stones…
McKinney 2012!!!
i cant believe everyone here is so consumed by such frivolity after yesterdays debacle where we lost to the flippin RAIDERS AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You crossed the line there.
Zzzzzzzzzzzz…..
You made a claim that I was proven wrong just as I’ve been proving D2 wrong, yet when asked you obviously can’t come up with any examples, just more ad hom.
Some say the Earth is flat. Some say it’s round. Tluck calls both arguments flip sides of the other and considers him(her)self an intellectual because the universe is just too large to make a clear assessment.
I give it a big ..
who cares.
I agree, but the whole point was the irony of D2 accusing liberals of rewriting the Bible while conservatives are actually actively rewriting the Bible.
Another of the left’s positions for pushing gay marriage was “People who wrote the Bible didn’t really know much about homosexuality”. This is completely false, and it occured back then probably as often as it does today.
Classic “straw man” argument. No one on “the left” believes this to be the case.
In fact, most liberals recognize that homosexuality has been around about as long as human beings. AND that it was well known and somewhat accepted during bibilical times — they probably knew more about it than your pseudo-ELCA minister.
Evil Baby Fauvel I know you’re an athiest and all — but FYI, there are a lot of Christian churches out there that recognize the stupidity of what 2Dim says and fully accept gay people and their relationships on an equal footing with hetero congregants.
“Another of the left’s positions for pushing gay marriage was “People who wrote the Bible didn’t really know much about homosexuality”.”
I thought people were pushing for gay marriage because what gays have now resembles the inheritance tax.
You work most your lives on something and when someone dies the government takes some or all and the survivor ends up with zilch.
That and so they can make the call to pull the plug.
They did not understand reproduction as a function of cellular biology; indeed, their primitive understanding reduced women to “ovens” in which babies grew from a man’s “seed,” and they thought that any “seed” that was “spilled” in activities not aimed toward reproduction was “wasted,” as if there were limited quantities of it
The Conservative Bible Project is leading the charge to deliberalize the Bible by using a Wikipedia-like Web site to correct what it calls “errors in conveying biblical meaning.”
The section on evolution is a must-see.
“You work most your lives on something and when someone dies the government takes some or all and the survivor ends up with zilch.”
Not to mention, in the absence of a tight will the estate can also be gobbled up by any parents of the deceased who had resented their child’s choice of partners all those years…
“Do you ever get tired of being proven wrong?”
I bet Dan gets the same satisfaction out of arguing with D2 as I do when I play basketball with 3rd graders on the short hoop in the park and reject their shots and clog up the lane.
I stand there and yell at them ‘In your face shorty!!’
Is that how it feels for you Dan to argue the same stupid points with D2 every single day, after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day ?????????
“I pointed out directly where D2 was proven wrong. Maybe you can point back to anywhere I was proven wrong.”
How about that credit card deal where you said your business wouldnt be effected by the credit crunch? Remeber that one?
I can think of a few more. Im sure you can remember a few too.
How about when you said Clinton was tricked into signing the deregulation bills?
These are just coming off the top of my head Dan.
Or the time you tried to claim Fox News has a legal exemption to lie?
I think Dan gets your point, Deacon. Say d2, you must not read the paper Strib. In it they had a little blurp about KK taking a couple weeks off. This was about 2 weeks ago, so she should be back soon.
Let the celebrations in the compound begin…
Is that how it feels for you Dan to argue the same stupid points with D2 every single day, after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day ?????????
Nailed it. Especially when those 3rd graders keep coming back and talking trash and saying stuff like “Nuh-uh, you never touched it” and I’m all like, “In your FACE half-pint.” Ahhh, good times.
How about that credit card deal where you said your business wouldnt be effected by the credit crunch? Remeber that one?
Our credit cards have saved us this year, though I throw away about three new offers every week. That’s what I get for staying current I guess.
I can think of a few more. Im sure you can remember a few too.
Sure, and let’s not forget that time I said “you’re” when it was obviously “your.”
How about when you said …
I was actually referring to my climate postings when I challenged Tluck, but I’m sure (s)he appreciates the help.
“I was actually referring to my climate postings when I challenged Tluck, but I’m sure (s)he appreciates the help.”
I do what I can.
,i>Or the time you tried to claim Fox News has a legal exemption to lie?
Well that one they do have. We can (and will) argue about the details of the case, but the FCC did find them exempt from any requirements to tell the truth.
“the FCC did find them exempt from any requirements to tell the truth”
No, thats not what they said. They said the whistle blower couldnt sue because the FCC doesnt have a law, its a guideline. The issue is over the difference between guidelines and laws.
That exemption would also extend to every other news source. If it existed that is.
DD arguing with D2 about global warming is like watching someone attempt to fly by flapping their arms.
That exemption would also extend to every other news source.
And only one tested it. They said it protected them against being sued by a whistle blower because what they did (making sh!t up) wasn’t illegal. A judge agreed.
Let the celebrations in the compound begin…
EEEEWWWW!
The imagery behing that simple statement is disgusting. Lots of KY and black latex.
“They said it protected them against being sued by a whistle blower because what they did (making sh!t up) wasn’t illegal. A judge agreed.”
Now you’re getting there, closer anyway. Its not illegal to tell your reporters you want them to include interviews and information from the dairy industry to refute claims made by the ‘reporters’ so they cant be sued for slander and defamation. Is that lying? I dont knopw maybe it is. Or maybe your problem should be with the FCC?
Also take a look at the trial record. They had their entire suit thrown out accept for one part which was overturned later. Oh and this was a local affiliate, not Glen Beck, Hannity Oreilly FOX news.
Bottom line Dan is you are stretching the truth on this one so far its not recognizable as the truth anymore. Sort of like D2 does with the weather in MN this October as proof of Global Cooling.
The other thing Dan is that all your info on this came from a website made for and by the Plantiffs.
The other thing Dan is that all your info on this came from a website made for and by the Plantiffs.
Only because the links to the news sites that covered it as it happened have expired.
Here’s some unrelated fun reading:
www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/30481512/wall_streets_naked_swindle/1
“another top-five investment bank that in September 2008 was vaporized in an obvious case of market manipulation.”
Yeah, all the sh:t chocking its books and cash flow had nothing to do with it. Conspiracies sound so much better.
Ill finish reading this later. Dan, one thing, get your financial news from a trade publication, not a magazine that puts Britney on the cover.
Dan, one thing, get your financial news from a trade publication,
Ironically this link was sent to me by a buddy in NY who’s long been a big-time Wall Street bond trader (and Republican leaning libertarian).
“Conspiracies sound so much better…get your financial news from a trade publication”
Read your link, Dan. Great article, Britney on the cover or no. As the English say: “Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean people arn’t out to get me.”
“If you, d2, could look at Christianity – if it still exists – in the future – say 2500, 3000, 10,000 or 50,000 A.D. – do you honestly think it would resemble the faith you claim today?”
Gordon Brown says we’ve only got 50 days to get our act together to solve “Global Warming” or we’re all toast.
Anyway, Christianity will be around for a long time if the left isn’t successful in perverting it.
“Sort of like D2 does with the weather in MN this October as proof of Global Cooling.”
Try record cold across the globe the past few years Deac.
“Say d2, you must not read the paper Strib. In it they had a little blurp about KK taking a couple weeks off. This was about 2 weeks ago, so she should be back soon.
Let the celebrations in the compound begin…”
That’s great news Rumphole! Thanks for the update.
“Anyway, Christianity will be around for a long time if the left isn’t successful in perverting it. ”
It already is and it’s not the ‘left’ ..
conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project
“You made a claim that I was proven wrong just as I’ve been proving D2 wrong, yet when asked you obviously can’t come up with any examples,
MORE PROOF from FOX NEWS:
It’s an AP story.
But again, where you and “Comrade Troll” on the other extreme are wrong, is that you both think you can draw sweeping conclusions from geologically microscopic pieces of climate data.
“But again, where you and “Comrade Troll” on the other extreme are wrong, is that you both think you can draw sweeping conclusions from geologically microscopic pieces of climate data. ”
Pass that man the hookah ..
Pass that man the hookah ..
Please!
But again, where you and “Comrade Troll” on the other extreme are wrong, is that you both think you can draw sweeping conclusions from geologically microscopic pieces of climate data.
After further review. I should have added.
For your own perverse political agendas.
“For your own perverse political agendas. ”
Fresh water and I’ll load it for ya ..
“Fresh water and I’ll load it for ya ..”
Throw a few ice cubes in and I’ll be right there.
“Throw a few ice cubes in and I’ll be right there. ”
Right on ..
My doc .. he’s from India. He asks me what I do to relax and my response was,
“well, if hooch was legal I’d be lighting up a hookah” ..
He laughs pretty hard and kind of spurts out ..
“but you’re a white boy .. how do you know what a hookah is?”
I replied ..
“I had this stage where I really dug your women”
We get along well ..
“well, if hooch was legal I’d be lighting up a hookah” ..
Right…right..
I get the feeling your into that “live life to the fullest” thing, a little more than before.
“I get the feeling your into that “live life to the fullest” thing, a little more than before.”
Sorta?
Sorta?
Yeah, I suppose the “Boca Burgers” aren’t a part of that.
“Yeah, suppose the “Boca Burgers” aren’t a part of that. ”
Uh huh.
That and alot of testing. Big chunk of ’stuff’ is missing ..
It’s an AP story.
I’m aware of that, and considering that Rupert Murdoch recently took over the AP it only adds to my contention that even the Right is admitting that global warming is real.
But again, where you and “Comrade Troll” on the other extreme are wrong, is that you both think you can draw sweeping conclusions from geologically microscopic pieces of climate data.
So 600,000 years of ice core data and last month’s temperature in Daytona Beach are just opposite sides of the same coin? Or are you saying that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse trapping gas? Or that it is but we’d be warming anyway so who cares how much we’re pumping into the atmosphere? I’m not clear on what conclusions you say are wrong?
I’m aware of that,
Right, since 7:49 tonight.
and considering that Rupert Murdoch recently took over the AP
Thanks for proving my point that you take little snippets of information and make sweeping conclusions from them.
For your own perverse political agenda.
it only adds to my contention that even the Right is admitting that global warming is real.
Don’t you mean “climate change” is real?(try and keep up). And your obviously referring to it in the political sense. Because in the factual sense, that’s the only constant in climate.
So 600,000 years of ice core data and last month’s temperature in Daytona Beach are just opposite sides of the same coin?
Only if you’re one of those that believe we can tell what the “precise” temperature was 600,000 years ago from those ice cores.
Are you?
Or are you saying that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse trapping gas?
Not at all. Just it’s significance.
Or that it is but we’d be warming anyway so who cares how much we’re pumping into the atmosphere?
Most likely to the first part. It’s a very long term trend. Check your ice cores
I’m all for living as cleanly as possible. I’m for government investment in “green technologies.”
But that’s not what this is all about.
Right, since 7:49 tonight.
Since I found the original Fox link. But that wasn’t the point I was making to D2. Fox carrying it was.
For your own perverse political agenda.
And that would be….?
Don’t you mean “climate change” is real?(try and keep up). And your obviously referring to it in the political sense. Because in the factual sense, that’s the only constant in climate.
No, I mean global warming, though I supposed you’d prefer I say accelerated global warming. Because in a factual sense, that’s the inevitable (and proven with empirical evidence) result of spiking the atmospheric carbon levels.
Only if you’re one of those that believe we can tell what the “precise” temperature was 600,000 years ago from those ice cores.
But we can tell the “precise” level of carbon.
I’m all for living as cleanly as possible. I’m for government investment in “green technologies.”
So you’re only in denial about our need to do these things. Got it.
But that’s not what this is all about.
So what is this all about?
associate white house press secretary rachel maddow announced the annointed one is putting together a blues band to try to connect with the american people. word is they have whittled the bands new name down to either;
che obama and the nixon administration
or
mao tse-tung and the enemies list
hard on host, chris mathews reports hes getting all tingly again.
Hey Deacon, check out this editorial in the strib by Fay Vincent:
Seems he thinks umpiring in baseball, especially post-season baseball, needs to be more systematized.
“Ironically this link was sent to me by a buddy in NY who’s long been a big-time Wall Street bond trader (and Republican leaning libertarian).”
I still havent finished reading the artcile yet, but from the first page Im not sure I agree with where the article apears to be going. Well see if it gets better further in.
But, if the author is trying to say ML and Lehman were brought down by a single instance of shorting stock, he needs to get together with Oliver Stone.
“well, if hooch was legal I’d be lighting up a hookah” …
At the risk of nitpicking,
I thought hootch was homeade booze and hash is what you smoke in a hookah. Maybe the word usage varies from place to place though.
I wouldn’t recommend filling a hookah with moonshine and putting a torch to it. oh no. You’d go all Richard Pryor on us.
I also don’t recommend waiting for legalization of either hootch or hash to go ahead and enjoy onesself.
DAR, don’t you know that this type of liberation leads to less happiness?
DAR..
I’m old. A hookah can be used for both hash and marijuana.
Hooch is also slang for pot .. or herb .. or mary .. or maryjane .. or bud .. or …
“A hookah can be used for both hash and marijuana.”
Of course. Ideallly you wouldn’t want to burn just hash because of the whole wad of tar effect. You need some vegetation in there too to mediate it. Weed or tobacco. Often all the Turks are smoking in their hookahs is flavored tobacco.
Yech.
Last time I was in Amsterdam they had just outlawed smoking tobacco in public places. This really messed with the local smoking culture because the Dutch like to blend their ganja with tobacco and roll it into big fat spliffs. Pretty ironic that in the “coffee shops” one could smoke something that was illegal everywhere else, but one could not smoke tobacco. Proprietors were patrolling around the tables all nervous that someone would try to smoke some tobacco in their shop on the sly and get ‘em into license trouble.
It’s so damn weird when governments try to prohibit things people do for fun.
“DAR, don’t you know that this type of liberation leads to less happiness? ”
Aye, so Katherine tells us.
I’ve heard Southern Baptists advise against having sex standing up.
Might lead to dancing.
First and last time I ordered a whiskey sour at a bar in Salt Lake City, I was about to tell the bartender he had ripped me off. Could hardly taste the whiskey. Then I realized the law only allows them to put an ounce of booze in the glass. Drank beer the rest of the night.
In my experience, Mormons make great neighbors, EXCEPT for the part where they peevishly try to regulate their neighbors’ alcohol intake.
Oh and the Prop 8 thing too.
Plus the bogart all the women.
I’ve heard Southern Baptists advise against having sex standing up.
I wonder if there’s a loophole, for example one partner can do a handstand?
But, if the author is trying to say ML and Lehman were brought down by a single instance of shorting stock, he needs to get together with Oliver Stone.
No, that was just an example of an obvious insider trading deal that was oddly never followed up on by the SEC. It’s the Naked Short Selling that gets into interesting reading.
“Plus the[y] bogart all the women.”
Thats just the FLDS ones. The ones with that Yearning For Zion ranch that got busted.
Mainstream Mormons think those folks are kooky almost as much as we do.
Oddly, the polygamous FLDS sect doesn’t disallow drinking. I think they see their ancestors as having parted ways with the main LDS organization before the drinking ban edict was handed down.
As long as we’re talking about various prohibitions and misogynistic religions, I have this theory about the one way I think we could beat the Taliban in Afghanistan. Mentioned it briefly over on the BQ the other week.
We need to legalize heroin here in America. Not just legalize it, but set up a fair trade supply chain where buyers with the protection of the US military pay Afghan poppy farmers WAY more for their crops than the Taliban has been paying them. Kinda like we do now for shade-grown Costa Rican coffee. Shoot any Taliban that try to interfere with the trade. Ship the produce legally back to the states, beating out every criminal middleman in Central Asia. Tax the sales and use the revenue to treat addicts. Just like you no longer see the American Mafia importing booze from Canada, so will the Taliban die on the vine if they’re cut off from their main source of cash. or at least they will have less money for ammo.
Prohibition breeds criminal enterprise.
“It’s the Naked Short Selling that gets into interesting reading.”
Interesting and I can see how it gets abusive. I still dont think that’s what caused Lehman and Bear Stearns out though. Their financials were for sh:t and after this ’secret’ meeting the blood was in the water. The author makes it seam like this was a coordinated effort done on purpose, a conspiracy to make profit for a few legit short sellers. The ‘naked’ shorts were patsies? No, I think what happened was a lot of people abusing a flaw in the system trying to dump shares they couldn’t get and knew the two stocks wouldnt be as high as ever again. This wasnt coordinated.
When legitimate shorting happens on huge levels you can actually end up sending a stock in the totally opposite direction like what happened with Volkswagen last year.
People were shorting the stock on huge volumes and when it came time to return the shares they borrowed and sold, there werent enough around because Porsche swooped in an bought them all up and wasnt selling. It sent the stock through the roof when all the shorts scrambled to find shares to cover themselves. VW ended up the highest capitalized corporation in the world for a few days.
I’ve never understood why short selling is legal.
margin trading, mmmkay, dumb, I think, but I can see why it could be allowed.
But selling something you don’t have, on the assumption that you’ll be able to get it later? Just can’t see why that’s allowed.
“The naked “shorts” were patsies?”
No, the naked shorts were bear-raiding Bear:
“But beginning on March 12th — the day after the Fed meeting that failed to include Bear, and the mysterious purchase of the options betting on the firm’s imminent collapse — the number of counterfeit shares in Bear skyrocketed.
The best way to grasp what happened is to look at the data: On Tuesday, March 11th, there were 201,768 shares of Bear that had failed to deliver. The very next day, the number of phantom shares leaped to 1.2 million. By the close of trading that Friday, the number passed 2 million — and when the market reopened the following Monday, it soared to 13.7 million. In less than a week, the number of counterfeit shares in Bear had jumped nearly seventyfold.”
And there was a point were the shorts sellers could gotten have gotten caught short, but the Fed pulled the plug on Bear:
“As Bear understood it, the emergency credit line that the Fed had arranged was originally supposed to last for 28 days. But that Friday, despite the rally, Geithner and then-Treasury secretary Hank Paulson — the former head of Goldman Sachs, one of the firms rumored to be shorting Bear — had a sudden change of heart. When the market closed for the weekend, Paulson called Schwartz and told him that the rescue timeline had to be accelerated. Paulson wouldn’t stay up another night worrying about Bear Stearns, he reportedly told Schwartz. Bear had until Sunday night to find a buyer or it could go fvck itself.”
That effectively ended Bear’s chances of pulling a VW. They sold for two bucks a share.
The main point of the Rolling Stone article is there was nothing legimate about the shorting of Bear and Lehman. Yes, they had loads of toxic assets on their books-everybody did at that time. That ain’t what brought ‘em down.
“But selling something you don’t have, on the assumption that you’ll be able to get it later? Just can’t see why that’s allowed.”
What you’re describing is the ‘naked’ short selling. Thats ‘illegal’. In a legitimate short sale, you acutally have the shares you’re selling.
The shorts provide a service to the market by exposing weak companies. They act as a break on the bull market when the fundemenatals of a company point to weakness or mismanagement.
Like if you were going to jump on the wave of some stock and you looked at the short positions it would give you a reason to look further into the books of a company to see if they were cooked. Everyone else would be riding the wave but the large short position might clue you in that something isnt right.
Wait wait wait.
If you have the stock you’re selling short, how are you short?
Do you mean you own an option to buy it at a particular price?
This wasnt coordinated.
My friend in NY, someone directly in the business for many years (who through a fluke wasn’t in the WTC that day) believes the only way this was pulled off was through careful coordination. Things this large don’t happen by chance. He told me that Goldman Sachs has long been called ‘Government Sachs’ by industry insiders.
“That ain’t what brought ‘em down.”
They would have never been in that position had they not been so over leveraged and full of worthless assets. Their financial position was such that they were vulnerable and suseptable to this type of thing. Had they been in sound financial condition this could never have happened.
“No, the naked shorts were bear-raiding Bear”
They are needed to drive the price down so someone who really has shares, a legit short can profit, right? The naked shorts never intend on delivering, thats not their motive. Thats the way I understand it. They’re a tool it seems to me.
“Things this large don’t happen by chance.”
Sure they do.
Are you saying the govt coordinated the ‘naked’ short selling?
“Do you mean you own an option to buy it at a particular price?”
Shorting a stock is borrowing it and selling it at its current price because you think it will go down in the future. The contract is the shares must be returned at a certain time. Between when they are borrowed and sold and when they are returned, if the stock price drops, you can buy them back at a lower price to return to the owner. You pocket the difference between what you sold the borrowed shares for and what you bought them at to return to the owner.
Short selling and options are two different things.
““Things this large don’t happen by chance.”
What you’re a creationist now?
I figure the whole freakin’ universe happened by chance.
I’m still confused. But maybe I get it. So a naked short is one where someone goes to market and sells a stock they don’t own at its current price in the absence of a contract where they borrowed it from someone who actually has it?
“They would have never been in that position had they not been so over leveraged and full of worthless assets. Their financial position was such that they were vulnerable and suseptable to this type of thing. Had they been in sound financial condition this could never have happened.”
All true, and they certainly wern’t the only ones on Wall Street in that position at that time. But it took a push to send them down circling the drain.
“They’re a tool it seems to me.”
Agreed, and a tool ain’t worth a thing unless it’s used.
I don’t make any claims to know the inner workings of the market, Deacon. I just think Taibbi makes a compelling case for some pretty illegal tactics being used against a couple of big Wall Street firms by people in some very high places, and the SEC apparently isn’t looking into it.
And I’m shocked, do you hear, shocked!
What you’re describing is the ‘naked’ short selling. Thats ‘illegal’.
Are you sure? It didn’t sound as if it was from the article.
“What you’re a creationist now?”
No, he’s an Oliver Stone wannabe conspiracy theorist.
Its entirely possible that the market took one look at the shape Bear Sterns was in and the fact that the govt was looking for a buyer for it that they knew the stock was going to tank. They all went out in a rush to short the stock at the same time and no one could make delivery because of the limited number of shares available.The huge volumes from the market makers abusing the system meant the shares plumeted and the guys who actually had shares early on and sold at $30 made out like badits on a realtively small investment of $1.7 million. Chump change for a hedge fund. It was a classic run and the brokers got in on it by lending shares they couldnt get ahold of effectively making everyone who tried to short it a ‘naked’ short. Hardly a conspiracy. More like classic Wall Street greed and shoddy regualtion.
Are you saying the govt coordinated the ‘naked’ short selling?
Weren’t the “government” players all ex-Goldman heads? Do you think they held stock in Goldman, or had any intention of returning there after their stints at Treasury?
“But it took a push to send them down circling the drain.”
Also pre bailout and TARP. That certainly is a factor in this. And these two were some of the more egrgious in their capital ratios.
“And I’m shocked, do you hear, shocked!”
I knew a bartender who claimed to have been a big-time coke dealer (as in buying kilos from Carlos Leder) back in the 70’s-80’s. He said one of is cohorts in the business went legit before he did, got out of drug dealing while he was ahead and went to New York to work in investment banking. Called my friend up about a year later and said to him, “I can’t believe how criminal these people are!”
“More like classic Wall Street greed and shoddy regulation. ”
Sometimes liberation can lead to less happiness.
“Are you sure? It didn’t sound as if it was from the article.”
Oh, it’s illegal all right. It’s just that there’s no teeth in the laws making it illegal, therefore no deterrence, to say nothing of no enforcement in the first place.
“I’m still confused. But maybe I get it. So a naked short is one where someone goes to market and sells a stock they don’t own at its current price in the absence of a contract where they borrowed it from someone who actually has it?”
The difference is in a legit short, I go to you and borrow your shares to sell them to Downtown Dan for $30. I actually take possesion of those shares and Dan actually gets his new shares from me for $30. Then the price goes down and all kinds of people are looking to sell their shares. I buy them back at $2 and return them to you. I pocket the $28 per share minus interest on the loaned shares and fees. You get your shares back. Bam, done deal. Totally legit and legal.
Now, naked short selling is I go to Dan and sell him shares I dont actually have and promise to deliver at a later date. I tell him the shares are with you DAR but you dont have them either but you say you do and can get them for me to make delivery to Dan later. You dont really care because you want the interest on the loan and the fees and assume you’ll be able to find the shares later like always. If you cant find them and I cant make delivery to Dan, Ive naked shorted. If I start selling millions of shares to Dan the price will plumet on huge volumes. If tons of people do this, selling shares they dont have because they think they can find them later or never really intend to, just to drive the price down, someone, a legit short with a real position will make a killing if he sold his borrowed shares before the ‘naked’ shorts hit the market and depressed the stock price.
“Weren’t the “government” players all ex-Goldman heads?”
An excellent point, but in the absence of evidence, merely conjecture. Since the SEC is really the only agency with any authority in this area, and they arn’t looking into it, we’ll probably never know. It’ll be the “grassy knoll” of the demise of Bear and Lehman.
“Weren’t the “government” players all ex-Goldman heads? Do you think they held stock in Goldman, or had any intention of returning there after their stints at Treasury?”
So they could snub out their competition? By doing what? Crashing the whole system maybe? Detroy the market to get rid of your competion and whipe out tens of $$$trillions$$$ in wealth. Ill need some more proof Dan than their resumes.
“Crashing the whole system maybe? Detroy the market to get rid of your competion”
Hold on there, big fella. The market wasn’t in any imminent danger of a crash as a result of these raids. And remember, Paulsen(the Fed) did doublecross Bear. You’re right about needing more proof, but let’s not go all d2 on this.
“The market wasn’t in any imminent danger of a crash as a result of these raids.”
What? Lehman’s collapse is what started the death spiral. Bear’s fire sale put it on the edge. Without TARP the banking system, money and stock markets would have come to a complete hault.
If Dan is saying Paulsen being an ex GS exec sank Bear and then Lehamn to get rid of his competition just so he could slide back into the board room after his stint at the UST, he did so in a manner that would have destroyed our economy had TARP not eventually saved it. Are we saying congress and the WH now are in on this too? Thats where the conspiracy dots ultimately lead to if you start connecting them.
Are we saying congress and the WH now are in on this too?
Didn’t someone in congress recently say the banks owned the place? And isn’t Summers and Gietner (sp?) the WH’s point people on this, and aren’t they both GS people? Doesn’t it seem as if all dots lead back to Goldman?
And you’re also assuming they knew the economy would be as close to collapsing as it was if they allowed Bear and LM to die, or maybe they did know but they knew it would never be allowed to happen? People will do funny things for that kind of money.
I figure the whole freakin’ universe happened by chance.
Don’t confuse Dan.
He’s not so good with science related topics.
” Lehman’s collapse is what started the death spiral”
Good point. I stand corrected. As far as the bear-raids go, however, the motive was profit. Wall Street had been playing with fire for a long time. And, as everyone knew, the government couldn’t allow the whole system to come tumbling down. It looked like a pretty safe bet, especially, as Dan says, you’ve got some of your boys on the inside.
“People will do funny things for that kind of money.”
There are better safer and easier ways to make money. Plus, if they did do it on purpose, what they did will surely lead to more regulation and heightened scrutiny in the near future. Thats not going to be good for their profits. More regulation isnt going to make GS business model better even without Bear and Lehman.
Look at the change in the GS stock price over the past year. Where is Paulson right now? Connect those dots Dan.
Look at the change in the GS stock price over the past year. Where is Paulson right now?
How many billions did they just report in profits?
There are better safer and easier ways to make money.
Better safer and easier ways to make money than insider trading when your confederates run the SEC and treasury?
if yer brains were chocolate you wouldn’t have enough to fill an m&m
“How many billions did they just report in profits?”
More or less now that Bear and Lehman are gone?
“Better safer and easier ways to make money than insider trading when your confederates run the SEC and treasury?”
You can do that without causing the system to fail which required the debasement of our currency and massive risky bailouts.
Crashing the system so that youre relatively better off than your former competators isnt good business.
Dan you read that Rolling Stone article about GS didnt you?
“Crashing the system so that youre relatively better off than your former competators isnt good business”
Did the system crash? Do you think the government would have allowed the system to crash?
And there is certainly more market opportunity out there for those that remain now that Bear and Lehman are out of the picture.
It’s not as far fetched as you want to make it appear to be.
But that doesn’t mean that’s what happened….
“It’s not as far fetched as you want to make it appear to be.”
That depends on your bias. Im pretty skeptical of these kinds of conspiracy theories.
It put this one somewhere between Area 51 and the 9/11 Truth movement.
“Did the system crash? Do you think the government would have allowed the system to crash?”
Define crash and pick a time frame. Some people might say its crashing right now only its too hard to tell since we’re all in the middle of it.
if yer brains were chocolate you wouldn’t have enough to fill an m&m
Plain or peanut?
“Define crash and pick a time frame”
Crash: as you said: “Lehman’s collapse is what started the death spiral. Bear’s fire sale put it on the edge. Without TARP the banking system, money and stock markets would have come to a complete hault”
Time frame: Sept-Oct-Nov ‘08
Did the government step in? Did ANYONE seriously doubt that they would?
“That depends on your bias. Im pretty skeptical of these kinds of conspiracy theories”
That’s fine. Just keep in mind the truth is stranger than fiction. And, in the immortal words of Chris Carter, the truth is out there.
In some cases, it’s waaaaay out there….
Like crack for conspiracy theorists:
The secret Paulson-Goldman meeting
When Paulson learned that Goldman’s board would be in Moscow at the same time as him, he had [Treasury chief of staff] Jim Wilkinson organize a meeting with them.
…
Anxious about the prospect of such a meeting, Wilkinson called to get approval from Treasury’s general counsel. Bob Hoyt, who wasn’t enamored of the “optics” of such a meeting, said that as long as it remained a “social event,” it wouldn’t run afoul of the ethics guidelines.
Still, Wilkinson had told [Goldman chief of staff John] Rogers, “Let’s keep this quiet,” as the two coordinated the details. They agreed that Goldman’s directors would join him in his hotel suite following their dinner with Gorbachev. Paulson would not record the “social event” on his official calendar…
Mmmmmmm… feeling the rush. Can’t wait for the book.
h - ttp://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/10/20/the-secret-paulson-goldman-meeting/
Plain or peanut?
that would be a good science project.
Time frame: Sept-Oct-Nov ‘08
My link references a “secret” meeting held in June of ‘08.
Looks like the Flying Imam’s cashed in a settlement for the stunt they pulled. Hopefully they didn’t get much but I doubt it. I’m sure they figured a jury trial would backfire and make them look like troublemaking morons.
“Looks like the Flying Imam’s cashed in a settlement for the stunt they pulled. Hopefully they didn’t get much but I doubt it. I’m sure they figured a jury trial would backfire and make them look like troublemaking morons. ”
Rumor has it they now own Big Lake MN.
You’ll probably be getting a letter ..
Looks like the Flying Imam’s cashed in a settlement for the stunt they pulled.
How dare they pray before flying.
People should be outraged!
“How dare they pray before flying.”
I didn’t know skinny Muslim men prayed with seat belt extenders.
“I didn’t know skinny Muslim men prayed with seat belt extenders. ”
See how little you know.
How dare they pray before flying.
I hear they are stealing our air too and using it for crazy things like breathing!
Next thing you know they’ll want to steal our water to wash their dirty little hands.
My wife and I are planning on heading up to the North Shore for our anniversary this weekend and would like to spend Saturday night at a nice resort/hotel somewhere, maybe Lutsen? Any recommendations?
“I hear they are stealing our air too and using it for crazy things like breathing!
Next thing you know they’ll want to steal our water to wash their dirty little hands. ”
Should people be outraged?
“Next thing you know they’ll want to steal our water to wash their dirty little hands.”
Their duty little feet anyway. Taxpayers are “footing” the bill for Muslim foot washing stations at some public schools.
Should people be outraged?
No, I was being sarcastic and half-mocking D2. Then he comes back with something that actually makes my post seem not that bad…
Taxpayers are “footing” the bill for Muslim foot washing stations at some public schools.
So? Do you have a problem with public schools serving fish on Fridays during Lent to make life easier on the Christian kids that go there?
“No, I was being sarcastic and half-mocking D2. ”
me too ..
but not about the Imams purchasing Big Lake ..
There’s gonna be alot of fountains there soon.
“Do you have a problem with public schools serving fish on Fridays”
No I like fish and it’s good for you. Muslim foot washing stations are much more expensive, and silly.
“My wife and I are planning on heading up to the North Shore for our anniversary this weekend and would like to spend Saturday night at a nice resort/hotel somewhere, maybe Lutsen? Any recommendations? ”
Is it your hetero wife or your wife that you got married to in Iowa?
“No I like fish and it’s good for you. Muslim foot washing stations are much more expensive, and silly. ”
Some people think churches are silly ..
maybe they shouldn’t have that special status?
Law of D2:
If D2 likes it then it is good.
“Some people think churches are silly ..
maybe they shouldn’t have that special status?”
Muslims can wash their feet all they want, they just shouldn’t expect me to pay for it.
“Muslims can wash their feet all they want, they just shouldn’t expect me to pay for it. ”
And I shouldn’t have to expect to pay taxes to support your ‘organization’ to not pay them.
“And I shouldn’t have to expect to pay taxes to support your ‘organization’ to not pay them.”
You seem a bit confused there Greg.
“You seem a bit confused there Greg. ”
not at this moment. your church is tax exempt .. i pay taxes to support that.
I don’t take full credit for that thought.. I had help.
But that other organization you belong to .. they aren’t tax exempt.
“not at this moment. your church is tax exempt .. i pay taxes to support that.”
How so Greg? Unlike the corrupt democrat vote fraud group ACORN, my ELCA church receives no funding from taxpayers.
“CNN Poll: Half the country disagrees with Obama on issues”
You know I didn’t hear about this today, but while doing the tread mill and watching Wolfie baby I learned that all of a sudden by some persuasive miracle now 57% of the people support the Presidents healthcare proposal along with a Public Option.
Can you believe it..NO YOU CAN’T thats a “Balloon boy” poll right there. How dumb do these people thing we are. A jump of 15-20% in a week.
See the truth is they “pushed” the numbers and instead of having it be a little closer they couldn’t help themselves ( its for the cause )and they couldn’t go with just 51 % or 52% they had to go to the ridiculousness number of 57%
“Even if Katherine did get canned again by the Strib, I suggest we keep this blog going as long as they keep it up.”
Last night I bought some canned sardines and today I had them for lunch.
While I was having lunch, I was worrying about Ms. Katherine, wondering what happened to her.
Now I read this about Ms Katherine maybe getting canned, and I can’t help think about what happened to those poor sardines. I pray that Ms Katherine has not met her untimely demise.
I think someone needs to check up on Ms Katherine, to see if she is all right. I can’t do it. If I came to her door, she would call the police. On the outside, I look like a dangerous, creepy character, even though that is not entirely how I am on the inside.
I will just pray for you, Ms Katherine. If you need anything, I am here for you.
“They tell us Sir, that we are weak — unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature has placed in our power.” — Patrick Henry
“Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” — Patrick Henry
“The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable; and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come!” — Patrick Henry
For your own perverse political agenda.
And that would be….?
Jacques Chirac gave the game away in 2000. “The Kyoto agreement is the first component of an authentic global governance.
So are you for global governance? Or are you just a useful idiot?
that’s the inevitable (and proven with empirical evidence) result of spiking the atmospheric carbon levels.
Got a link for “proven with empirical evidence”? Or are you still looking for it?
“But we can tell the “precise” level of carbon.”
Are we talking Carbon or CO2? Because there’s actually a great deal of debate about CO2.
“So you’re only in denial about our need to do these things.”
Not at all. I just have a different motivation for doing it. That doesn’t require me to make sh!t up.
“So what is this all about?”
Money and power, just like it’s always been. Besides the carnival barker P.T. Gore. Who else stands to profit the most from cap and trade?
Why looky here, Goldman Sachs for all the same reasons.
www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29127316/the_great_american_bubble_machine/7
“Now I read this about Ms Katherine maybe getting canned, and I can’t help think about what happened to those poor sardines. I pray that Ms Katherine has not met her untimely demise.”
Don’t worry leland, I don’t think she sleeps with the fishes yet.
Like someone pointed out already, neswpaper said Sunday before last she had two weeks off. of course sometimes her absences seem longer than originally announced.
I am sticking to my theory that she had to go to a quiet safe place for a little retreat after hearing about Obama’s Nobel prize. They are now weaning her off the thorazine and onto the diazepam.
She’ll be back in fighting shape before we know it.
“Because there’s actually a great deal of debate about CO2.”
You talking about the CO2 vs. nitrogen for beer fizz debate?
That one gets contentious to be sure.
Jacques Chirac gave the game away in 2000. “The Kyoto agreement is the first component of an authentic global governance.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Whew, that’s a good one. Just because this is an ad hom, doesn’t mean you’re not an idiot.
Got a link for “proven with empirical evidence”? Or are you still looking for it?
www.skepticalscience.com/Empirical-evidence-that-humans-are-causing-global-warming.html
Are we talking Carbon or CO2? Because there’s actually a great deal of debate about CO2.
The only debate is between the scientifically literate and scientifically illiterate partisan shills.
www.skepticalscience.com/Comparing-CO2-emissions-to-CO2-levels.html
Who else stands to profit the most from cap and trade?
Who else stands to profit the most from moving our economy away from fossil fuels and into green energy and high efficiency technology? Everyone but fossil fuel interests and partisans too blinded by their hatred of Al Gore to see what’s obvious to the rest of us.
Next thing you know they’ll want to steal our water to wash their dirty little hands.
If you recall, both D2 and Katherine displayed some outrage when they washed their dirty little feet.
My wife and I are planning on heading up to the North Shore for our anniversary this weekend and would like to spend Saturday night at a nice resort/hotel somewhere, maybe Lutsen? Any recommendations?
Screw twice.
It’s your anniversary.
The only debate is between the scientifically literate and scientifically illiterate partisan shills
You never answered the question I posed last week regarding the Earth’s total heat absorption per square kilometer.
Couldn’t find the answer on the web?
I’ve been to Liutsen for a couple of weddings. Stay in the condos they just up the shore from the main lodge but it’s worth it to have a meal in their dining room.
If you want to drive another hour up Hwy 61 Naniboujou (sp?) Lodge has an awesome very picturesque dining room too. Had a nice anniversary dinner with my wife there once. Just don’t drop acid there, the ceiling murals will start making faces at you.
Globull and Warming, Globull and Warming
Go together like Cannibal and Polar Bear
This I tell you brother
You cant have one without the other
Globull and Warming, Globull and Warming
Its an Scam you cant disparage
Ask the Gorist gentry
And they will say its elementary
Tax, Tax, Tax to separate them
Its an illusion
Tax, Tax, Tax, and you will only come
To this conclusion
Globull and Warming, Globull and Warming
Go together like Cannibal and Polar Bear
Dan was told by mother
You cant have one without the other
You never answered the question I posed last week regarding the Earth’s total heat absorption per square kilometer.
So take the global absorption and divide by total square kilometers yourself. I’m not your pocket calculator, and as if this number changes anything.
“I’m not your pocket calculator,”
Are you a pocket pool team player?
So take the global absorption and divide by total square kilometers yourself. I’m not your pocket calculator, and as if this number changes anything.
It puts your “sky is falling” stories into perspective, along with your condescending claims of scientific literacy.
It puts your “sky is falling” stories into perspective
Straw. I’m not the one taking what I’m posting and translating that into “The sky is falling.” I’m consistently saying we shouldn’t be wasting this opportunity. I know the Europeans aren’t.
I’m also just pointing out what the consequences of pumping these amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere are. This is basic physics 101 stuff. Admittedly we’re talking about small temperature changes (which can of course be made to look all the smaller if we break it into per square foot of planetary surface, or whatever makes you feel better), but these small changes can (and are) have large impacts, some of which might not be reversible. That’s not Sky is Falling, but… how much of the planet’s population relies on glacial runoff for their clean water? Any issues with that going on around the world right now? How about the US Southwest? Certainly this will be a serious problem before rising ocean levels will affect coastal populations (of which the majority of the planet’s population resides?).
along with your condescending claims of scientific literacy.
If people would stop making such stupid and easily refuted posts I wouldn’t be condescending. And this is just a dumb blog, I do believe condescension is the order of the day around here.
“I know the Europeans aren’t.”
Euroenvy
Hey Dan, how many miles per gallon does your Jeep get?
And this is just a dumb blog, I do believe condescension is the order of the day around here.
I guess you’re right on that one, dummy.
Thanks for the poem GO. It was very touching and almost brought a tear to my eye.
Hey Dan, how many miles per gallon does your Jeep get?
18, with a good wind, but few convertibles do as well in the snow. I put 6,000 miles a year on it. How many miles do you put on your car a year? I super insulated our condo. How’s your home insulation?
Also, I choose to live within a mile of our shop, and walking distance to groceries, theaters, and a dozen restaurants.
Jeep ‘n all, I’d wager my carbon footprint is a small fraction of the average.
I guess you’re right on that one, dummy.
Group Hug!
Obama’s approval rating continues to drop:
This is very good news for America!
But with the price of gas continuing to rise and Obama wanting $4 dollar gasoline, I think we’re headed for some energy problems.
Obama’s approval rating continues to drop:
Because the left is getting twitchy, not because the right is any more against him than they’ve been all along.
This is very good news for America!
Where did the Big Question go? I left for a while and it went away. I guess the libs must of tired of their Michele Bachmann infatuation.
I guess the libs must of tired of their Michele Bachmann infatuation.
So how’s life in Bizarro world?
God bless Michele Bachmann!
God bless Michele Bachmann!
So now who’s infatuated?
Did anyone see MSNBC introduce Jesse Jackson as Al Sharpton? Oh wait, it was on MSNBC. Of course no one was watching….
DD states: “So now who’s infatuated?”
I always have a soft spot for patriotic Americans.
“I always have a soft spot for patriotic Americans. ”
Then why the infatuation with MB? She’s just a nutcase.
“God bless Michele Bachmann! ”
Yes .. she does need help ..
Michele Bachmann is the best Representative Minnesota has in Washington Greg!
“Michele Bachmann is the best Representative Minnesota has in Washington Greg! ”
No.
I always have a soft spot for patriotic Americans.
I always have a soft spot for pathetic Americans.
Fixed.
Michele Bachmann is the breast Representative Minnesota has in Washington
This explains a lot of the infatuation.
From Dave Durenberger and Bill Frenzel to Michelle Bachmann in one generation. No wonder the modern Republican party is on life support anywhere outside of the deep south.
Evil Baby Fauvel I know you’re an athiest and all — but FYI, there are a lot of Christian churches out there that recognize the stupidity of what 2Dim says and fully accept gay people and their relationships on an equal footing with hetero congregants.
Sorry for the delayed reply; I’ve been unable to post for a few days.
I know that some (I don’t know if I’d say “many”) Christian churches fully accept same-sex relationships. But the main reason I’m an atheist has nothing to do with being gay. It has a lot more to do with my not believing in the supernatural. So that precludes any theistic beliefs for me.
Anyway, Christianity will be around for a long time if the left isn’t successful in perverting it.
I’d ask if you even remotely understood my post, d2, but you obviously didn’t….
Whew, that’s a good one. Just because this is an ad hom, doesn’t mean you’re not an idiot.
Good God. It may have been close to a “tu quoque” But since I asked you if you were for global governance(still waiting) rather than accuse you of it. It doesn’t qualify as Ad Hom.
www.skepticalscience.com/Empirical-evidence-that-humans-are-causing-global-warming.html
Might be the lamest link you’ve ever posted. It’s all in the interactions.
The only debate is between the scientifically literate and scientifically illiterate partisan shills
No argument there.
The debate I was talking about was the dismissal of all CO2 measurements previous to 1957 by the IPCC as inaccurate.
If people would stop making such stupid and easily refuted posts I wouldn’t be condescending.
There’s that pesky projection problem of yours again.
And this is just a dumb blog, I do believe condescension is the order of the day around here.
Amen brother.
oops.
Amen dummy.
Good God. It may have been close to a “tu quoque” But since I asked you if you were for global governance(still waiting) rather than accuse you of it. It doesn’t qualify as Ad Hom.
Ever the hyper-literalist. It was a self-referential statement (”Just because THIS is an…” not “Just because THAT was an…”), not a statement about your statement.
Might be the lamest link you’ve ever posted.
Sure. Let us know when you challenge it in their comments rather than the safety of this outpost.
The only debate is between the scientifically literate and scientifically illiterate partisan shills
After hearing your laughable “Black Helicopters” argument, I guess they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive.
The debate I was talking about was the dismissal of all CO2 measurements previous to 1957 by the IPCC as inaccurate.
I assume you’re referring to the debate on the accuracy of ice core readings. While that debate has a basis in scientific literacy, their accuracy has been confirmed by other methods. And aside from that narrow academic debate, there is no arguing that we’ve been adding CO2 to the atmosphere by the giga-tonnage, and only the scientifically illiterate (or frightened by Black Helicopters) crowd argues that CO2 isn’t a greenhouse gas.
There’s that pesky projection problem of yours again.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
“WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for jobless benefits rose more than expected last week, after falling in five of the past six weeks, as employers remain reluctant to hire even with the economy showing signs of recovery”
This whole signs of recovery BS came from the White House and those economist that support the White House and the Press has without question repeated it..Signs of recovery …SIGNS I don’t see any nor have I seen any (except evil Wall Street)
And where are the poor “Jim and Jane have been out of work for a year and are eating dirt” stories?
CO2 has nothing to do with nothing and this Global Warming BS has nothing to do with C02.
Downtown “Sucker” Dan
And this Crap about FOX. Listen when I watch CNN now its like I was watching FOX the last 8 years and when I watch FOX its like I’m watching CNN from before.
The only difference I see now is that the major networks are now like FOX was. Cheerleaders for the Administration ( and not really news organization )
Where is the 60 minutes segment on waste in the Stimulus? That to me is a true sign of a manipulated media.
“How many miles do you put on your car a year?”
About that give or take a few hundred miles. Remember I live and work in the Mini appple too as does my wife. We car pool together and the round trip is about 10 miles a day.
“I super insulated our condo. How’s your home insulation?”
After the house fire two years the place was gutted and got state of the art replacement windows and insulation. I’m covered.
My conscience is doing juuuuuust fine.
“Also, I choose to live within a mile of our shop, and walking distance to groceries, theaters, and a dozen restaurants.”
I go months at a time without leaving the friendly confines of Mpls.
“Jeep ‘n all, I’d wager my carbon footprint is a small fraction of the average.”
Id guess mine is about the same as your’s is. I even recycle my beer bottles!!
I even recycle my beer bottles!!
You rock!
Really my only bad habit in terms of my green cred is I pour my used motor oil down the storm sewer.
Really my only bad habit in terms of my green cred is I pour my used motor oil down the storm sewer.
Aren’t there people who will pay you something for it?
“Aren’t there people who will pay you something for it?”
Im too busy screwing people over at the bank to chase pennies down for used motor oil.
Michele Bachmann is the best Representative Minnesota has in Washington Greg!
Similar to how gonorrea is the “best” of the social diseases.
And this Crap about FOX. Listen when I watch CNN now its like I was watching FOX the last 8 years and when I watch FOX its like I’m watching CNN from before.
I’ve been watching CCN Headline News in the morning, mainly because of the anchor.
www.zimbio.com/Robin+Meade/articles/63/Robin+Meade+goes+to+NASCAR
Technically, I’m watching CNN and FOX news at the same time.
“Technically, I’m watching CNN and FOX news at the same time”
Maybe sometime soon we’ll have the type of “news casts” they have in Russia where the female anchor is shown in various stages of undress. That’ll drive the ratings up.
That’ll drive the ratings up.
Not just the ratings.
“Not just the ratings. ”
Uh huh.
“Maybe sometime soon we’ll have the type of “news casts” they have in Russia where the female anchor is shown in various stages of undress.”
Maybe you guys havent heard yet, but there is this new invention called the internet?
that oughta keep people ..
busy?
“Maybe you guys havent heard yet, but there is this new invention called the internet?”
Do tell, Deacon, but we were talking about CNN and/or FOX.
When I’ve been over in England and watching TV news the weather report is always given by a buxom young woman in a low-cut blouse.
Except on days it rains. Then she wears a wet T-shirt.
“Except on days it rains”
Which is at least every other day in jolly old England.
Alot of ignorant male sexist BS.
Did the home for juvenile delinquents shut its doors and dump you morons here?
Idiots.
Alot of ignorant male sexist BS.
Bleaux Moi
Quinbus, buddy, you sound like you have some issues you need to deal with. You wouldn’t, by any chance, have been a part of this flight crew?
“Alot of ignorant male sexist BS”
You think this is bad, wait ’til d2 gets home from the dildo factory.
I gotta say, Quinbus, you seem to have some issues that you need to address. You wouldn’t, by any chance, have been a part of this flight crew, would ya?
“Alot of ignorant male sexist BS”
You think this is bad, wait ’til d2 gets home from the factory.
I gotta say, Quinbus, you seem to have some issues that you need to address. You wouldn’t, by any chance, have been a part of this flight crew, would ya?
Quinbus Flestrin must be D2’s other wife.
Quinbus = no
Flestrin = humor
Anyone who comes in flaming like that has issues. If it makes him/her/it feel better to go off on bloggers passing the time of day on a blog, it ain’t the bloggers who have a problem.
I think quinbus is prejudiced against juvenile deliquents.
Great, another femanazi. Dora’s sister most likely.
My guess would be you ignorant children drive big 4×4 trucks to compensate for the lack of your manhood. 4×4 trucks of which have never seen the light of day past the pavement.
Grow up, children. Its the 21st century.
Quinbus Flestrin (The Man Mountain) was the name Lilliputians gave to Gulliver.
“juvenile delinquents…. ignorant children…..compensate for the lack of your manhood….Grow up, children.”
The “Quinbus Flestrin” posting here is an adult homosexual male interested in young boys. He is particularly curious about their small genitalia. Some people are so easy to read.
Welcome to the blog, QF.
Damn, I broke one of those CFL bulbs in my sons room. What a pain in the ass.
“The “Quinbus Flestrin” posting here is an adult homosexual male interested in young boys. He is particularly curious about their small genitalia. Some people are so easy to read.”
See .. it is D2’s other wife.
“Damn, I broke one of those CFL bulbs in my sons room. What a pain in the ass. ”
It’s not supposed to go there.
31 arrested in Minn. during Mexican drug cartel sting:
www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=827072&catid=391
How long before leftist mayor R.T. Rybak opens his eyes and realizes he needs to get rid of his unlawful illegal alien “Santuary City” policy which only helps dangerous gangs and drug cartels like this thrive here?
I was changing a CFL bulb for Irv in his kitchen. He was making lunch. I dropped the bulb and it broke. It hit the bowl containing the tuna salad.
“I was changing a CFL bulb for Irv in his kitchen. He was making lunch. I dropped the bulb and it broke. It hit the bowl containing the tuna salad.”
Now his fish has even more mercury in it Leland!
Gullivers travels - boring.
I barely got through the 1st story “A Voyage to Lilliput” and got as far as chapter 3 of the 2nd story ” A Voyage to Brobdingnag”. I put it down 7 months ago and can’t bring myself to start up reading it again. I will drag mtself through the rest of the book eventually. Someday. Its a bad habit of mine. Once I start a book, I must finish it.
“The “Quinbus Flestrin” posting here is an adult homosexual male”
An adult Shemale. Soooo that would make IT downtown dan’s wife.
Glowball Warming.
“The “Quinbus Flestrin” posting here is an adult homosexual male”
She-mail.
“My guess would be you ignorant children drive big 4×4 trucks to compensate for the lack of your manhood.”
I’ve been told by the ladies I’m well hung.
Don’t know if it’s the truth, since I never did the frat-pledge boner comparison thing.
I drive a 4-cylinder Mazda.
Quinbus Flestrin states: “Alot of ignorant male sexist BS.”
A lot is two words.
We all agree that Michele Bachmann is hot. She is also a wonderful patriotic American.
God bless you Michele!
“We all agree that Michele Bachmann is hot. She is also a wonderful patriotic American.
God bless you Michele!”
Agreed!
“We all agree that Michele Bachmann is hot. She is also a wonderful patriotic American.
God bless you Michele! ”
no
However ..
The vast majority of people on this blog would agree that Gulliver is D2’s man wife but is probably cheating on D2 with CnC …
and MB set up the whole thing.
The vast majority of people on this blog would agree that Gulliver is D2’s man wife but is probably cheating on D2 with CnC …
Once he saw all those ropes and stakes, it was love at first sight.
“Once he saw all those ropes and stakes, it was love at first sight. ”
and a quick trip to Iowa ..
“God bless you Michele! ”
no
***********
That’s not very tolerant Liberal Greg! What’s up with that?
“That’s not very tolerant Liberal Greg! What’s up with that? ”
God doesn’t have time to waste on nutcases who won’t help themselves first?
“God doesn’t have time to waste on nutcases who won’t help themselves first?”
Hey, hey… Let’s not bring motivationally challenged welfare recipients into this now Greg.
Goodnight all!
It’s way past my bedtime
Sure. Let us know when you challenge it in their comments rather than the safety of this outpost.
Waiting for the registration confirmation.
After hearing your laughable “Black Helicopters” argument,
So, asking you if you’re for global governance (still waiting)is a “Black Helicopters” argument? or was it the Goldman Sachs part?
I assume you’re referring to the debate on the accuracy of ice core readings. While that debate has a basis in scientific literacy, their accuracy has been confirmed by other methods.
I’m not convinced. Not that I couldn’t be.
“I drive a 4-cylinder Mazda.”
DAR,
I drive a 4×4.
4 doors and 4 on the floor toyota corrola.
zoom zoom zoom
tluck- I love you greg
greg- i love you more tluck
tluck- i love yours more
greg- i love yours the best
tluck- i love it your way dog
greg- lets do it
tluck- do what?
greg- um…you know
tluck- i know, but i want to hear you say it
greg- um…lets DO IT stuff
tluck- stuff what?
greg- are you taping this…..feals like a trap
tluck- naw, comon man, I just want to hear you say it…..*out loud*
Greg- OK..because i know its special…..um….lets….you know…..aw schucks…*blush*…hold hands.
tluck- you want to suck my what?
greg- yeah dude…that to0
ahahahahahhahahahhahahahha!!!!!!
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAAAAA!!!!
HOMOS!!!OR WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHAHhahahahahahaaahahhahahah!!!!!!
Some time, ya know, I just freakin slay me.
AHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHA!
DJ
DJ on the toilet bowl
What do you do if your DJ
and theres no paper on the roll
do you take it like a man?
or do you wipe it with your hand?
zoom zoom zoom
“Zoom Zoom” is Mazda, not Toyota.
And I always check to make sure there is paper on the roll pre-squat.
“or do you wipe it with your hand?”
Like our friends in the Muslim world.
“tluck- I love you greg
greg- i love you more tluck”
Get a room guys. Greg seems to like Iowa, so get one there.
“Get a room guys. Greg seems to like Iowa, so get one there. ”
Nah.
But I do see you trying to avoid your man wife again and trying to redirect your own sexuality towards someone else.
And D2, you love Iowa .. you know it .. it’s all those corn cobs …
your friend when no one else is around.
“Hey, hey… Let’s not bring motivationally challenged welfare recipients into this now Greg. ”
I’m not.
“My guess would be you ignorant children drive big 4×4 trucks to compensate for the lack of your manhood.”
I drive a subaru outback. And my balls are HUUUUUUUGE.
My guess would be you ignorant children drive big 4×4 trucks to compensate for the lack of your manhood. 4×4 trucks of which have never seen the light of day past the pavement.
So, you whine about “male sexist BS” when you see comments on the physical attributes of women, and respond by speculating about the physical attributes men.
Typical feminist hypocrisy.
BTW, I also drive a four cylinder Mazda,
and I have 9 inches, give or take a few inches.
Hey you, Whitehouse,
Ha ha charade you are.
And watching for pigs on the wing
I used to have a little 4X4 truck. Supposedly a Mazda B-Series but really it was a 97 Ford Ranger. That was when they had just recently developed the auto-lock hubs and let me tell you, those auto-lock hubs were poorly designed. Only lasted a month longer than the warranty.
Never ever buy a Ford 4-wheel-drive anything.
Given our new friend Sequin Buttfloss’ self-evident feminist sentiments, I was hoping he/she would have something substantive to contribute about the main topic. You know, maybe a deconstruction of Katherine’s assertions that women are happier when thier lives are preoccupied with kindern kirche and kuche.
But alas, all we got was some comparisions to Lilliputians based on our most recent banter.
Just remember that Gulliver’s greatness was entirely a trick of perspective. To the Lilliputians he was a giant but really he was just an average guy. So our critic, surrounded though they may be by mental midgets, is probably only frightfully average in his/her’s own intellectual capacity, I’m guessin’.
How long before leftist mayor R.T. Rybak opens his eyes and realizes he needs to get rid of his unlawful illegal alien “Santuary City” policy which only helps dangerous gangs and drug cartels like this thrive here?
The Mexican drug cartels thrive in Minneapolis and everywhere else because there are lots of Americans buying their products.
It’s hard to believe anyone can be so naive.
Oh lord. What a terrible spew of garbage. This paper should pull the plug and let this lack of adolecent brain development end.
Kerstens manure articles are riddled with small minded immature blog maggots.
mthalo, you don’t like the ignorant treatment you dish out? Typical feminist hypocrisy, how absurd.
And you, dubble_a_ron, are quite the yuckster requesting some intellectual capacity as you banter publicly with an element of society that lacks the most basic component of common courtesy.
KERSTENBLOG IST KAPUT!!!!
“The Mexican drug cartels thrive in Minneapolis and everywhere else because there are lots of Americans buying their products.”
Sure, but why do we have to let them it to sell their products? Liberal “Sanctuary City” policies make it even easier to thrive here.
THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
This one is a little different….
Two Different Versions! ……………… Two Different Morals!
OLD VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer
long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and
plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.
The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE STORY: BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELF
MODERN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and
plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed
while others are cold and starving.
CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the
shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable
home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp
contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, ‘It’s Not Easy Being Green.’
ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house where the news
stations film the group singing, ‘We shall overcome.’ Rev.! Jeremiah
Wright then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper’s sake.
Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that
the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call
for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act
retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green
bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is
confiscated by the Government Green Czar.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ants food while the government house he is in, which just happens
to be the ant’s old house, crumbles around him because he doesn’t
maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2010.
mthalo, you don’t like the ignorant treatment you dish out?
No honey, I love it.
Come back for intellectual banter when you get your diploma.
My, my. Thats is so smart mthalo. Choke on your vomit.
Kersten writes,
“Why have progress and liberation on every front — educational, professional and sexual — left many women in a funk?”
Why? Just take a look at the blog participants here. The neanderthals haven’t kept up with the progress women have made. The lack of a serious male gene pool threatens to dislodge and retard the growth women have achieved. The parenting of a child is undone by the flatulant backwardness of the hairy backed, knuckle dragging, poor excuse of a male partner.
“Choke on your vomit. ”
As opposed to Qtip who chokes on his own p00p while enjoying the taste …
greg63, another intellectual oddity. 63 must be your IQ.
I don’t have a hairy back ..
and ..
I’m very interested in Qtips idea of a ‘real’ man.
Sure, but why do we have to let them it to sell their products?
There are plenty of Americans selling their products.
“There are plenty of Americans selling their products.”
I guess Anchor Babies are technically Americans. This needs to change.
Liberal Greg says:
“I’m very interested in Qtips idea of a ‘real’ man.”
Greg is very interested in Gerbils too.
“The parenting of a child is undone by the flatulant backwardness of the hairy backed, knuckle dragging, poor excuse of a male partner. ”
Hey q… pull my finger.
“I guess Anchor Babies are technically Americans. This needs to change. ”
D2.. you don’t have a clue about the drug trade other than the meds you’re required by law to take daily.
“The parenting of a child is undone by the flatulant backwardness of the hairy backed, knuckle dragging, poor excuse of a male partner.”
Birds of a feather lady. You obviously aren’t what a self respecting educated, good looking, eligible male is looking for. With what little you’ve shown here that much is obvious.
“Greg is very interested in Gerbils too. ”
Sure .. I can make a good profit selling them up in Big Lake ..
“D2.. you don’t have a clue about the drug trade other than the meds you’re required by law to take daily.”
I’m sure the 31 “La Familia” members rounded up were all legal residents named Olson and Johnson.
“Birds of a feather lady. You obviously aren’t what a self respecting educated, good looking, eligible male is looking for. With what little you’ve shown here that much is obvious. ”
See .. this is why I’m convinced that Qtip is really D2 off his meds.
“I can make a good profit selling them up in Big Lake ..”
All personally tested by Liberal Greg.
“I’m sure the 31 “La Familia” members rounded up were all legal residents named Olson and Johnson. ”
That’s right .. you’re only aware of those names .. the only ones you approve of.
Figures you’d be fond of ..
johnson.
as you banter publicly with an element of society that lacks the most basic component of common courtesy.
Us: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
QF: Well, I was told outside that…
US: Don’t give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
QF: What?
US: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
QF: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I’m not going to just stand…!!
US: OH, oh I’m sorry, but this is abuse.
QF: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
US: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
QF: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
US: Not at all.
QF: Thank You.
US: Stupid git!!
“Come back for intellectual banter when you get your diploma.”
He/she/it is not interested in intellectual banter. Personal attack is the lowest form of discourse and debate, the last resort of the incompetent. He/she/it appears to be just looking to pick a fight. Sad to see what some folks get their jollies from….
“All personally tested by Liberal Greg. ”
Yep .. I put ‘em in a tube with corn and buffalo steak at the end ..
just for you D2.
“Figures you’d be fond of ..
johnson.”
You have a sense of humor Greg, too bad you have the political IQ of a 2nd. grader.
“You have a sense of humor Greg, too bad you have the political IQ of a 2nd. grader. ”
That’s still higher than yours .. in all respects.
I’ve got this sneaky suspicion that Qtip is D2’s woman wife…
and she’s got him locked in the basementt .
This would explain Qtips anger …
she was deceived and thought she married a hetero man but ended up with a closet homosexual with a fettish for gerbils.
“she was deceived and thought she married a hetero man but ended up with a closet homosexual with a fettish for gerbils.”
There goes Liberal Greg with his perverted fantacies again.
People should be outraged!
I don’t have a hairy back ..
If you’re nice, I’m sure Quinbus will share some of hers with you.
“f you’re nice, I’m sure Quinbus will share some of hers with you. ”
That would make D2 jealous ..
“There goes Liberal Greg with his perverted fantacies again.”
Judging from this act of deception on D2’s part …
my theory is true.
“my theory is true.”
Not with an IQ of 63 Greg.
“Not with an IQ of 63 Greg. ”
Which is still 3 times greater than yours.
“Not with an IQ of 63 Greg”
My God, it IS d2’s wife….er….partner.
“Which is still 3 times greater than yours.”
I have 3 times better smart ass remarks than you do Liberal Greg.
“I have 3 times better smart ass remarks than you do Liberal Greg. ”
Keep trying to convince yourself.
“My God, it IS d2’s wife….er….partner.”
Nope, my wife hates blogs. Good thing she’s not home right now.
My wife hates blogs, but she does have a facebook (or something) page similiar to Greg’s gayspace page.
“Nope, my wife hates blogs. Good thing she’s not home right now. ”
HAAA!!!!! he needs permission!
Qtip must’ve gone out for some back hair removal products ..
“HAAA!!!!! he needs permission!”
No, it’s kind of like farting in bed.
“My wife hates blogs, but she does have a facebook (or something) page similiar to Greg’s gayspace page. ”
Prove it D2 .. give us the link to her/his page ..
“Prove it D2 .. give us the link to her/his page ..”
You wouldn’t be interested Greg. She’s not a guy.
I have 3 times better smart ass remarks than you do Liberal Greg.
Too bad you’re never around your computer when you think of them.
If Quinbus is female why the choice of a male protagonist handle? Merely for the condescension of the literary reference, the desire to portray us as teenie-weenie?
Seems more like the persona of a male who is self-emasculating by perceived necessity, like maybe an undergrad at one of the Little Ivies trying to ingratiate himself with PC-dogmatic women. “Look how sensitive I am! Watch me dehumanize cretinous male chauvanist bloggers! It totally doesn’t bug me that your pits are hairy!”
“You wouldn’t be interested Greg. She’s not a guy. ”
So he/she really doesn’t have a page then ..
yet another lie from D2.
People shouldn’t be surprised!
Well Downtown Dem, I think I’ll go out and split some oak now that this October snow has let up. Hopefully it will become unusually warm tomorrow, maybe even close to average temps? My wife and I are heading up to the South Shore of Lake Superior in the morning.
“So he/she really doesn’t have a page then ..”
Yes she does, along with my daughter in North Carolina and a couple of my more liberal friends. I don’t even know how to access it though, no interest. I do know how to look at your gayspace page though Liberal Greg, the hyperlink is attached to your name.
“Seems more like the persona of a male who is self-emasculating by perceived necessity, like maybe an undergrad at one of the Little Ivies trying to ingratiate himself with PC-dogmatic women”
Lots of those guys hanging around Snelling and Grand.
So before you go out and pretend to be a lumberjack D2 .. maybe you can just tell us the name of your wife so we can look at her page ..
Or are you afraid?
Oh, c’mon Greg. Dare2’s wife deserves to remain unidentified in this forum.
Deacon can vouch for me having a wife. He’s met her.
She gave us both crap about hanging out on this blog. But she wasn’t mean about it.
“the flatulant backwardness of the hairy backed, knuckle dragging, poor excuse of a male partner.”
Sure, a nagging shrew may not be happy with this guy, but I’ll bet his buddies all love him. Sounds like a fun guy.
“Deacon can vouch for me having a wife. He’s met her.”
Yeah, and she’s taller than DAR too!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Got my tickets to Hank III Dar.
“Oh, c’mon Greg. Dare2’s wife deserves to remain unidentified in this forum.”
But which one of his wives? The man wife or the woman wife?
“maybe you can just tell us the name of your wife so we can look at her page ..”
Sure, it’s Marissa Miller.
Hey DAR .. does your wife like to wear the ‘I’m taller than him’ shoes too?
“Yet … measures of subjective well-being indicate that women’s happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women’s declining relative well-being … is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries.”
Now I haven’t read the Wharton study but honestly.
How can you quantify subjective expressions of happiness and then do a benchmark comparison of happiness from one generation to the other?
What if June Cleaver only said she was happy, out of some sense of duty? What if the real trend they’re measuring is women worldwide are feeling increasingly empowered to say so if they’re not happy?
If one woman says she’s about 4 happy on a scale of 10 and another woman says she’s 6, how do we know they construe the quantification of happiness in the same way?
Now maybe if they measured dopamine and seratonin levels in the brain or something, idunno. But measuring subjective statements about happiness? I smell a false premise at the heart of all this.
“Oh, c’mon Greg. Dare2’s wife deserves to remain unidentified in this forum.”
Thanks DAR.
If Liberal Mayor R.T. Rybak can have a wife unknown publically, so can I.
I’ll bet Liberal Greg can’t even find a picture R.T.’s wife on the internet!
So he proves once again he’s not taking his meds ..
“I’ll bet Liberal Greg can’t even find a picture R.T.’s wife on the internet! ”
So if I do you’ll show us your facebook page right?
Well Downtown Dem, I think I’ll go out and split some oak now that
I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay.
I sleep all night and I work all day.
I cut down trees. I eat my lunch.
I go to the lavatory.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin’
And have buttered scones for tea.
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
I cut down trees. I skip and jump.
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women’s clothing
And hang around in bars.
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
I cut down trees. I wear high heels,
Suspendies, and a bra.
I wish I’d been a girlie,
Just like my dear Papa.
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
“does your wife like to wear the ‘I’m taller than him’ shoes too?”
She wears mostly flats and she’s still taller than me.
I’ll be at the Hank III show, Deac. The missus went with me the first time but she said once was enough.
Couldn’t deal with the woof-woof death metal part of the set.
“So if I do you’ll show us your facebook page right?”
I don’t have one. I’ll bet you can’t find a picture of R.T’s wife though.
The woman I saw him with at the State Fair had a funny hat on on looked like his elderly aunt or someone other relative. I’ll probably recognize her if you can find a picture of them together. Good luck Greg!
“She wears mostly flats and she’s still taller than me. ”
HA! .. good for you!
“I’ll bet Liberal Greg can’t even find a picture R.T.’s wife on the internet! ”
There was a picture of the Rybaks in the Sunday paper last week.
“I don’t have one. I’ll bet you can’t find a picture of R.T’s wife though.”
www.pca.state.mn.us/publications/mnenvironment/winter2004/brightideas.html
Downtown Dem, I was a Monty Python fan when you were in diapers.
I even like the Rutles!
www.rutles.org/
And D2 .. if you wanna make comments about how someone’s wife looks .. then maybe you should post your own wifes picture?
Nope Greg, that’s not the same woman Rybak was with at the fair. Good try though! I’ll bet you can’t find another.
Remember a few days back when I mentioned that I cut the end of my finger off while carving apples for canning.
I just got home from a trip to the emergencey (layed off, no insurance). My finger got infected after I cleaned the chicken coop and goat shed. They had to yank the fingernail, like the do at GITMO, split my finger to the nuckle and carved out a big hunk nasty of meat, like they did to liberal gregs head. I didn’t know you could get 20 stitches on a nose picking finger.
I told them - bill me, smell ya later.
any bets on what the bill will be?
Dar,
There are some good new acoustic versions of some of Hank III’s songs right now on You Tube. Check them out.
“And D2 .. if you wanna make comments about how someone’s wife looks .. then maybe you should post your own wifes picture?”
I have nothing against elderly people Greg. We should look up to and and respect them much more than we do.
“Hank III’s”
Is that Hank William’s grandson?
Here ya go D2 ..
www.minnesotamonthly.com/media/Minnesota-Monthly/Events-Pics-Calendars/Scene/February-2008-Scene/
And here’s a list ..
www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=Megan+Rybak+%2Bmayor
So where’s your wife? You opened your pie hole but can’t pay for it now?
“Is that Hank William’s grandson?”
Si, su nieto.
Go figure, Liberal Greg send me a link point to the phrase “Male eye candy with big hearts”
And Greg, the picture you sent doesn’t look at all like the first Mrs. Rybak picture you linked to, and is definately not the woman he was with at the State Fair.
“And Greg, the picture you sent doesn’t look at all like the first Mrs. Rybak picture you linked to, and is definately not the woman he was with at the State Fair. ”
Maybe it wasn’t his wife at the state fair?
You’re finding just about every excuse you can D2 ..
maybe your memory is bad from wearing those high heels and chopping wood?
The liberal greg and D2 show. Where’s tluck?
“any bets on what the bill will be? ”
Around here ER visits start at $750 or so. And that’s just if they give you a tetanus shot and send you home.
They’ll probably tack on more charges for the whole cut out the gangrenous tissue procedure. uff-da. My bet is $975.00
You keep it clean and keep some bacitracin on it now, GO, ya hear? Get a box of disposable latex gloves for when you uh, clean the chicken coop. I’m sure that’s really what you were doing amongst them chickens.
“She wears mostly flats and she’s still taller than me. ”
HA! .. good for you!
What’s the problem, you chauvinist
pigs can’t deal with someone taller than you.
I once dated a woman who was eight inches taller than me.
“The liberal greg and D2 show”
Brought to you by NAMBLA and the American Family Association!
I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay
Sounds like DD has been catching the Python anniversary fest of IFC this week.
They’ve been showing all the Python movies, shows, and some docs.
I’m betting the bill will be around 2500 ..
but we’re all wondering why his finger was in a chicken.
“Brought to you by NAMBLA and the American Family Association! ”
You’re speaking for yourself ..
and again showing your hypocrisy.
Sounds like DD has been catching the Python anniversary fest of IFC this week.
What channel is that? I used to catch the originals when Ch 2 used to play them in the 70’s. I’d love to see some of the originals again.
Downtown Dem, I was a Monty Python fan when you were in diapers.
You kids git off my lawn!
“You kids git off my lawn!”
You can’t be my age and still be a liberal without getting paid for it.
Dan is still in Diapers.
You can’t be my age and still be a liberal without getting paid for it.
You can’t be my age and still be a conservative without being senile.
fffffffIXED
Dan is still in Diapers.
Someone’s feeling neglected.
What channel is that? I used to catch the originals when Ch 2 used to play them in the 70’s. I’d love to see some of the originals again.
IFC is a cable channel, so unless you have digital cable, you can’t get it.
“Dan is still in Diapers.”
My adult son Dan won the Diaper Derby in Elk River when he was 3 years old, FYI.
“IFC is a cable channel, so unless you have digital cable, you can’t get it.”
So my satellite pirating won’t work? Damn the luck!
So my satellite pirating won’t work? Damn the luck!
With all your ranting about welfare scum feeding off society, you’re stealing satellite signals?
People should be outraged, and you should be locked up.
IFC is a cable channel
Duh. Which channel?
“With all your ranting about welfare scum feeding off society, you’re stealing satellite signals?”
No, my equipment is completely legal.
Happy Friday everyone!
Duh. Which channel?
164 if you have Comcast.
I introduced my kids to Monty Python and the Holy Grail years ago. They laughed there arses off and I fell asleep. My son asked how I could have fallen asleep to such a great movie, I told him I’d seen it many times which wasn’t entirely true.
Couldn’t bring myself to tell him it’s WAY better when your trippin’!!
“Couldn’t bring myself to tell him it’s WAY better when your trippin’!!”
So YOU’RE the one responsible for the illegal alien Mexican drug cartel “La Familia” comfortably setting up shop in R.T. Raybak’s Santuary City!
Did anyone else hear the rumor that R.T. Rybak has been Mayor since 1977? I read it on a blog somewhere. I don’t think it’s true.
“Did anyone else hear the rumor that R.T. Rybak has been Mayor since 1977?”
Just giving you crap tluck. I graduated from H.S. that year.
I graduated from H.S. that year.
Ha! You’re old! :)
“Ha! You’re old! :)”
Old enough to remember a liberal democrat President with a liberal democrat Congress and what a disaster it was. Obama is like Jimmy Carter on liberal steroids.
Looks like the sicko perversion of your blog maggots is what will bring you down Kersten. Maybe they will open a day care for the lost boys. They will call it “Kerstens Maggots”. Complete with a diaper changing room and cages for each turd throwing lower primate here.
“Looks like the sicko perversion of your blog maggots is what will bring you down Kersten.”
I think the Strib will do that. They already killed BQ, and Katherine is next. They are moving to their stupid “Hot Dish” deal which is controlled by Strib filtering and will block conservative thought. I’ve been banned for life and can’t comment on any of the Strib blogs. Sounds like communism to me.
Hey Quinbus. If you’re just going to be a whiny b!tch, I’m sure you can find a PMS blog somewhere.
And weren’t you the one who was making fun of others for having a low IQ?
You must be some kind of moron if you really think Mrs. Kersten is going to be fired because of the people who comment on her blog. That may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
By the way, your comments don’t add anything to the conversation either, so I think I speak for all the guys here when I say, “blow me”.
we
“Kerstens Maggots”.
Has a nice ring to it doesn’t it.
I think “Quinbus Flestrin” is the love child of Dora and GO.
“so I think I speak for all the guys here when I say, “blow me”.”
www.bendecho.com/6b29897131-blow-me-a-kiss-martin-and-lewis
This is a classic!
“Has a nice ring to it doesn’t it.
I think “Quinbus Flestrin” is the love child of Dora and GO. ”
I like the name too ..
but I’m not in agreement on the Dora and GO gig ..
GO would never do that.
I am thinking that Qtip has some Manson in her geneology.
How’s Charlie doing these days Qtip?
Wait ..
Qtip = Pelosi + Beck
The inner turmoil is what produces the anger ..
that’s gotta be it.
“Qtip = Pelosi + Beck”
“Quinbus Flestrin”
Could this be Partisan? A refugee from the BQ?
“I think “Quinbus Flestrin” is the love child of Dora and GO.”
Dude, what did I ever do to you tluck. I would never bed a shrew like dora. eeeeewww.
But I do agree with the “kerstin maggot” name. I got dibs next time I’m killed.
“But I do agree with the “kerstin maggot” name. I got dibs next time I’m killed.”
I think Qtip was referring to all of us as Kirstins Maggots ..
kinda like the dirty dozen.
D2 would be the Telly Savalas of the group.
The lack of a serious male gene pool threatens to dislodge and retard the growth women have achieved. The parenting of a child is undone by the flatulant backwardness of the hairy backed, knuckle dragging, poor excuse of a male partner.
This from someone who obviously wades in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Who’s at fault for the poor choice of a partner?
The parenting of a child is more likely undone by a mother who tries to deflect the world’s attention away from her pathetic parenting skills (and from her inability to spell “flatulent” in a feeble attempt at an insult) by relegating the father of her offspring to the status of lower primate while blaming him for every fault and blemish she decides her children possess.
Did you honestly expect to find a “serious gene pool” here? Please. Either your own miniscule intelligence gene no longer functions, Flestrin, or – more likely – you never had one to begin with.
Don’t fathers contribute to the genetics of their daughters? You seem to believe, Flestrin, that any “growth” women have achieved has resulted only from the genes received from their mothers.
Even someone of your stunted intelligence should be able to figure out, eventually, that all of the “good men” – you know, the “serious male gene pool” – would rather castrate themselves with rusty fish hooks than reproduce with the likes of you. If you see males as little more than monkeys (or maggots), it’s no wonder that they run screaming from the very sight of your hideous visage.
I hope you don’t have sons. Daughters would be bad enough, but you could really screw up a little boy unfortunate enough to be under your abusive thumb.
You certainly aren’t worthy of my genes, which wouldn’t be available to you even if I were straight. Or if you were the last human female alive.
But please, Flestrin, don’t try lesbianism. We higher life forms in the GLBT community don’t want you. (Sorry, my hetero friends, you’ll have to keep her.) Just stay right where you are, in the genetic wading pool of the hopelessly clueless, with the other losers of the world.
Or do us all a favor and eat a heaping bowl of arsenic.
Check this out
high all you lowlifes. I’m haveing my period and will wail against the injustices you piggies do to all wenches of the world. HA!
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ I’m on the rag ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ GO is the coolest ♪♫
♪♫ liberal mullet greg loves tluck ♪♫
♪♫ liberal mullet greg loves tluck ♪♫
♪♫ liberal mullet greg loves tluck ♪♫
♪♫ liberal mullet greg loves tluck ♪♫
♪♫ liberal mullet greg loves tluck ♪♫
♪♫ liberal mullet greg loves tluck ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
♪♫ D2 is smart ♪♫
AHAhahahahhahahhahahha
♪♫ I fricken slay me ♪♫
GO is beautiful. Peace out.
“Or do us all a favor and eat a heaping bowl of arsenic. ”
And do it on youtube ..
please?
“D2 would be the Telly Savalas of the group.”
Tiny must be Don Rickles
“But please, Flestrin, don’t try lesbianism. We higher life forms in the GLBT community don’t want you. (Sorry, my hetero friends, you’ll have to keep her.)”
Thanks EBF. Who would have thought homosexuals were so selfish.
GO dropped shrooms ..
Thanks EBF. Who would have thought homosexuals were so selfish.
d2.
Gawd, even on vicodin I’m handsomely witty.
Gotta GO. finger is pounding.
“Tiny must be Don Rickles ”
I don’t think Don Rickles was in the Dirty Dozen ..
But hey .. maybe he should’ve been.
Gawd, even on vicodin I’m handsomely witty.
I wonder what would happen if one mixed Vicodin with arsenic….
“Thanks EBF. Who would have thought homosexuals were so selfish.
d2. ”
Perfect ..
Your right liberal greg. I was thinking Kelly’s Heros.
Well who ever played a bald idiot in the dirty dozen, thats tiny.
I was thinking Kelly’s Heros.
Not to be confused with Hogan’s….
Hi Evil,
Why aren’t you and the Mr. out on a Friday night? I’m taking my wife out of town in the morning.
One of my favorite Paul McCartney songs, and I hope you like it as well.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D88ooa05TF0
Goodnight all!
Its too bad you cant hear what Paul is saying.
“Its too bad you cant hear what Paul is saying.”
What?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVGk5qm6Mac&feature=fvw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHpbd3zhWhA
I thought these new ones were good.
“What?”
You cant hear Paul.
You dont have clue what Im talking about do you D2?
I saw the video Deac.
Why does the the greatest musician of modern times have to resort to silly vidios like that? Maybe liberalism is inflicting him big time.
Damn! I sure hope we find a cure.
“Damn! I sure hope we find a cure. ”
For extremism yes … we do need to find a cure.
Take your meds D2.
Have a good weekend everyone, I’m outta here!
Why does the the greatest musician of modern times have to resort to silly vidios like that?
Peace. Love. Heart and soul. Hope. Whatever you did you sure found a cure. They must pass it out at your church.
Keep it to yourself.
“each turd throwing lower primate here.”
Ms or Mr Quinbus Flestrin, Only Mr G fits that description, and he is a really nice guy once you get to know him.
At first I didn’t like you, but the more I read your posts, the more I like you. Your posts are funny. “Kerstens Maggots” is a pretty good name for us. Ms Katherine’s column is dead. The maggots are all that remain.
I think it was more likely Strib bean counters than anything else that brought the end of the column. Can’t blame the maggots. The bean counters are likely cutting overhead. The paper and web site will soon be all advertising. No content.
I still think you are a male pedophile who likes little boys. Not a woman. You sure become offended when the guys here express attraction to women. I know the answer, but I’ll ask anyway. Are you male or female?
Poor, poor evil baby flavel. Kersten’s token homosexual blog maggot. Why must you feel the need to defend your oppressors, I dare ask. You frolic with the dead minds here looking for acceptance and an occasional pat on the head. Don’t you see that you are their pet? Are you blind to their sneers and vulgar gestures behind your back? Are you deaf to the sounds of their brouhaha condemning your kind to lower than second status? You pretend that you are battling them with words. But these are words their shallow minds do not comprehend. You are shadow boxing and getting beat.
For proof you need only go back to this post written by a degenerate of high moral standing no doubt-
October 22nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
“The “Quinbus Flestrin” posting here is an adult homosexual male interested in young boys. He is particularly curious about their small genitalia.”
Followed by an array of homosexual gerbil put downs.
Evil baby flavel, you can do better for yourself by not identifying with this group of scum. Or not.
You have doubts about my gender? Does this make you feel less masculine? Maybe, if I verified that I am a female, you could get your mo jo back. Get all macho and up in my face. Or are you holding back just in case I am male. You don’t want to look silly in front of your playmates now would you?
Look there, a maggot robs my user name to make fun of female genitalia with an ailment. Sickness hangs in the air here.
Feel free to pick a gender for me and have your disgusting fun with it.
Feel free to pick a gender for me and have your disgusting fun with it.
Whichever gender he/she/it is, they’re not very comfortable with it. We might have a variety of nuts here, but this poster could keep a psychologist busy for months. The self loathing is thick.
“Look there, a maggot robs my user name to make fun of female genitalia with an ailment. Sickness hangs in the air here.”
(*whisper voice*)
(*i…..i think its talking about me. brrrrr…..i just got a chill down the back of my neck. this thing is creepy. shhhhhh, i’m gonna sneak out quietly and hope it doesn’t notice. dont go down into the basement….don’t go down into the basement….don’t go down into the basement…………*)
“Feel free to pick a gender for me”
I pick….pig. Pig’s a gender, right? Or sow. yeah, sow is certainly a gender. Festering, can we just call you sue or Sooie.
Lets have us one of them Hog Callin Contests.
Here piggy piggy piggy, sooie, Here piggy piggy piggy
“Feel free to pick a gender for me and have your disgusting fun with it.”
Ok. He/she/it does it for me. You come on all tough like those macho guys you profess to despise, you whine like a little girl, and there is a certain androgynousness that permeates your posts. Me thinks you need to pick a side, as it appears one hasn’t been designated for you.
But then, as CS used to say back on the BQ, I feed the troll here……
Any bets on whether KK posts a column tomorrow?
“We might have a variety of nuts here,”
I’m smokin fresh picked walnuts right as I speak. Hickory. I wasn’t sure the smoke could permeate the shell but it did.
wrap chicken wire around the rack frame of a little or big chief smoker. Place the lowest rack tray on and pour walnuts in from the top (in the shell).
slide smoker frame into box. it will be a tight fit with the chicken wire. (get your minds out of the gutter)
Place the cover on top of the smoker loosly to let the condensation out.
3 pans of hickory chips.
then let sit with the smoker element on fo 5 hours.
transfer walnuts from the smoker and spread single layer on cookie sheets or broiler pans and let sit 3-5 days in a warm area with good air curculation. check dryness by shaking the nut. you should feel the meat rattle inside the shell. (again, get your minds out of the gutter). then taste test.
montty? Mr. Python?
GO. You’re a literary genius.
You should really look into writing books for children.
You’ll make millions!!
But then, as CS used to say back on the BQ, I feed the troll here……
I feel the same way.
“Poor, poor evil baby flavel. Kersten’s token homosexual blog maggot”
For those of you who are not familiar with the Katurine kerstin bloggers, be prepared for a 5 page single spaced rebuttal from EBF. Bring a lunch.
Any bets on whether KK posts a column tomorrow?
Yes, $500,000,000,000,000 bloggers.
That she posts yet tonight.
“GO. You’re a literary genius.
You should really look into writing books for children.”
Why tanks tluck. When a handsomely cool MAN as myself uses the appropriate medication anything can be accomplished.
“Why tanks tluck. When a handsomely cool MAN as myself uses the appropriate medication anything can be accomplished.”
Always liked Vicodin.
I just missed on the love child thing. You just channeled Dora.
Brilliant!!
“Ms or Mr Quinbus Flestrin, Only Mr G fits that description, and he is a really nice guy once you get to know him.”
Mr Leland,
Thats the nicest thing you ever said about me. Lets do it.
flying Imams flying imams
flying Imams flying imams
DAMN! 3 minutes after my bet posted.
You’re a lucky man Monty.
good call tluck. I need a loan
Ya, it’s me GO. Apparently, monty got blog killed.
Ya, it’s me GO. Apparently, monty got blog killed.
Bass turd that he was!!
“Ya, it’s me GO. Apparently, monty got blog killed.”
What the “F’” Katurine. He comes on here and you kill him in one day. What? All of a sudden I’m not good enough for slaughter.
Tluck,
JuSt tO lEt yoU kNOw, FyI, If LIbErail GrEG ASkeses, i WaS jUSt TaLkiNG AnD yOU WeRe huMMing. If HE Askeses I WHAt YoU WeRE HUMMing I’Ll TElL HiM i’M noT Shur BuTT it Shure DId FeaL GoOd.
Tluck,
JuSt tO lEt yoU kNOw, FyI, If LIbErail GrEG ASkeses, i WaS jUSt TaLkiNG AnD yOU WeRe huMMing. If HE Askeses I WHAt YoU WeRE HUMMing I’Ll TElL HiM i’M noT Shur BuTT it Shure DId FeaL GoOd
MMMmmm. MMMMmmm. Vicodin!!!
Poor, poor evil baby flavel. Kersten’s token homosexual blog maggot.
Put on your glasses. It’s “Fauvel,” not “flavel.” You are familiar with Le Roman de Fauvel, aren’t you?
Why must you feel the need to defend your oppressors, I dare ask.
You must not be familiar with the scathing counterpoints I frequently pen here. Did it ever occur to you that I enjoy debate? That I enjoy exposing all of the flaws in Katherine’s columns? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know about those posts because you haven’t bothered to go back into the record and find them. Instead, you have read a single thread, declared yourself a knowledgeable expert about everyone participating in that thread, sneered down your nose at us in judgment and contempt, and offered your opinions about us in a way that is neither constructive nor helpful.
You attacked us. We attacked you in return. I’d say you got what you deserved.
You frolic with the dead minds here looking for acceptance and an occasional pat on the head.
I enjoy a little banter now and then. The banter always reappears after any serious discussion about a topic has run its course – especially when there is a long time between columns, as is the case here. But I’m here neither for acceptance nor a patronizing pat on the head. I am here mainly to debunk the lies Katherine spews, particularly in her anti-gay columns. Perhaps I am here as well for other reasons which I feel no need to share with you and your ilk.
Don’t you see that you are their pet?
I’m no one’s pet. You’d know that had you bothered to read more than this thread.
Are you blind to their sneers and vulgar gestures behind your back? Are you deaf to the sounds of their brouhaha condemning your kind to lower than second status?
What makes you think I am unaware of these things? Obviously I know how to handle them. In any case, their “second status” is higher than the status to which you relegate half of the human population.
You pretend that you are battling them with words. But these are words their shallow minds do not comprehend. You are shadow boxing and getting beat.
Do you think that only those who post here read the comments? I have been told that my posts have changed minds about issues important to me – both here and in other forums. Even one mind changed is a victory. I’m hardly “getting beat.”
Followed by an array of homosexual gerbil put downs.
Do you know the history of the gerbil comments on this blog? As someone who has been posting (and reading) this blog (and its comments) from its inception, I do. Perhaps there is context – I often remind readers that context matters – that renders these gerbil comments innocuous.
Evil baby flavel, you can do better for yourself by not identifying with this group of scum. Or not.
Quinbus Flestrin, you can do better for yourself by familiarizing yourself with the history and context of this blog before writing posts that instantly identify you as an ignorant fool.
If you have something meaningful to offer, you will be welcome here. There are many thoughtful people who would enjoy serious dialog with you (they often disappear when the “banter” starts), and many of the posters you dismiss as “dead, shallow minds” are quite capable of thoughtful discussion.
If instead you wish only to demean, you can expect to be treated in much the same manner to which you have already been subjected.
The choice is yours.
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