Does Obama really want to give his big speech from a “miniature Greek temple”?
August 27th, 2008 – 3:05 PMAm I missing something, or is there a public relations disaster brewing for Obama with his Thursday night acceptance speech at Denver’s Invesco football stadium?
Obama has been criticized for staging rock-star-type rallies that have presented him as a messianic prophet. (I blogged about this earlier in an entry entitled “America discovers the fifth Beatle.”) This trend reached a crescendo with his massive, outdoor rally in Berlin, which John McCain later ridiculed in an ad comparing his opponent to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.
Obama’s apparent “messianic complex” may be a factor in tightening presidential polls. In response, his aides have worked feverishly to reposition him as the candidate who can connect with common folks.
Now, it appears that Republican operatives may have infiltrated the planning process for Obama’s Thursday night acceptance speech at the DNC. Reuters reports that Obama will deliver his football stadium speech “from an elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple.” The stage is “similar to structures used for rock concerts,” and Obama “will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor.”
Rock concert staging? Podiums that rise from under the floor? Speaking from a “Greek temple”? Karl Rove could not have concocted worse symbolism for the “common man” message that Obama is attempting to send to American voters.
In the modern media age, political operatives pour time and money into planning every detail of their party’s national convention. Through careful stage management, they hope to avert unexpected developments that could lead to disaster.
It would be astounding if the centerpiece of the DNC – Obama’s acceptance speech—became just such a PR disaster.
275 Responses to "Does Obama really want to give his big speech from a “miniature Greek temple”?"
Greek = Gay. Everyone knows that. He will be speaking from a Gay temple.
When he ascends to his glorious stage and surveys his worshipful subjects, Obama, as did the conquering generals of ancient Rome, should seriously consider having a lowly underling whispering in his ear, “Sic transit gloria.”
Not sure you have to “reposition” yourself when 20,000 “common folks” show up to an impromptu public appearance.
Wow,
Two posts in a day from Katherine.
Slow down, cowgirl.
Given that most of the official buildings in Washington DC are modeled after Greek temples, maybe the staging is not so outlandish.
It would be funny though if there’s an error of scale in setpiece construction a la This is Spinal Tap and when Obama walks out on stage the colonnade is only shin high.
I bet the Republican infiltrators were deliberaately fed misinformation to flush them out.
Obama will really be on his knees in the front row with a sponge and bucket, washing conventioneers’ feet.
“….most of the official buildings in Washington DC are modeled after Greek temples…”
Yes, and they were built by Masons, which explains everything.
I don’t get this “Obama is a Celebrity” talking point. They are effectively saying that too many people like him, as if that is a bad thing in a democracy.
Hi, all,
When he ascends to his glorious stage and surveys his worshipful subjects, Obama, as did the conquering generals of ancient Rome, should seriously consider having a lowly underling whispering in his ear, “Sic transit gloria.”
Or “Sic semper tyrannis.
I hear that Barbara Streisand will be opening with “Oh Come Let Us Adore Him” (tickets $100 to $350 through TicketMaster) and Madonna will be closing with her new video presentation. Should be a good show.
Envious much? 70k+ will come to see Obama’s acceptance speech. Maybe half that will come to see McCain’s. When republicans are “infiltrating” Obama’s acceptance speech digs, it’s pretty clear the party is paranoid about it’s future. As for leland8, what point are you trying to make? Are you calling Obama gay like the Bushies called McCain gay in ‘00? Is that an insult? Seems pretty immature and McLame.
This from Politico’s Ben Smith:
Barack Obama’s appearance in Denver won’t be the first convention speech framed by Greek columns.
Republicans who are mocking Obama’s appearance haven’t mentioned it, but George W. Bush accepted his own nomination in 2004 on a set with a similar neoclassical theme, with columns rising on either side of him, as the pictures above and below show.
Indeed, the Bush set and the Obama sets currently look strikingly similar, with the podium set well in front of the columns, and connected by a path.
The attachment to kitsch, particularly at political conventions, is clearly bipartisan. (There are also a couple of columns in America, as Matthew Yglesias notes.)
Actually, the “celebrity thing” is that normally you would expect a resume in politics longer than half a page for someone running for President of the United States.
Toga, Toga, Toga
Here’s the link to the Politico story, along with pictures of Bush’s 2004 nomination set.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Hey Go,
Now there’s an idea…
A Messianic Prophet?
Who labelled him that? Oh, yes, it was Ms. Kersten, in the second graph. And then she goes on to quote herself the third graph in order to prop up her lame argument. And of course she takes a slam at Obama for being popular in Europe. (Europe, for god’s sake!)
Of course there is no mention of McCain’s BS-Express and his dozens of lobbyists that ride around on the bus with him and determine his policies. And there’s no mention that the man has so many homes he can’t even remember how many there are. And no mention that he left his wife to shack up with a trophy wife with millions.
Come on Star-Tribune editors! When will you wake up and see that this woman is damaging your journalistic reputation?
Or doesn’t it matter any more?
tteplay,
Mr. Leland does not insult. He can be vulgar, perverse and a sicko, but he does not insult. Nor is he immature. Immature would be beleiving that because 70+ thousand people at an event gives the event credibility.
400,000 showed up for woodstock.
So the resume should include something about being a failed oil man that got by on his family name until insider trading helped him raise millions, like W’s?
I’d say no, but then I never voted for Bush.
GOta, GOta, GOta
“Come on Star-Tribune editors! When will you wake up and see that this woman is damaging your journalistic reputation?”
Whoa Baby. It appears the under belly of the liberal serpent is a touch tender today.
I’m pretty sure his statement can only be taken as a weak attempt at an insult. Great catch Harriet; but don’t bother conservatives with details like what their leaders have done in the past. Also, I didn’t give the event credibility. I just noted that it’s twice as large as McCain’s party and the Rep.s seem to be all hot and bothered by it.
Viking,
I would love to see Michelle Obama in a toga. I think she’s hot. A very exotic lady. I like how she carries herself.
” would love to see Michelle Obama in a toga. I think she’s hot. A very exotic lady. I like how she carries herself.”
You’d blow it by doing the John Belushi zit thing in front of her.
even belushi got a lady at the end.
I will watch no part of the Democrat nor the Republican convention. They are grossly insulting to one’s intelligence. They are the vertex of a long drawn out evil perpetrated upon the populace, namely, the primary campaign.
Unhappily, the worst is yet to come. The national campaign in all its depravity we still must suffer through. Then the new cycle of horror begins. The victorious malefactor is thrust upon us in all his wicked glory.
No matter who the victor is, the citizens of the populace are the incontrovertible losers. The victor is certain to be evil incarnate, the personification of evil, just like his predecessor.
Americans, being the most wicked people inhabiting this planet, probably get what they deserve. It is unfortunate that the rest of the world must also suffer the consequences of this national calamity.
“As for leland8, what point are you trying to make?”
I dont think you’ve paid your KK blog dues yet ttepley to be taking shots at leland.
If Kuntsten had ANY logic other than repeating Rove-isms so much she believes it’s true… she would be more than the piece of dung she displays.
Wow. Senator Obama is too popular, so the far-right makes up the term Messiah, then blames Obama for it.
Just like McBush’s attack ads. Full of lies.
There is no question in my mind that the bad judgement comes from the far right’s potty brains.
Senator GOtarski ..
Why does that sound like something to really be afraid of?
Mr. Leland,
Not to mention its boring. Hopefully all the rightwing fears come true and the GOP convention is full of turmoil and distruction in the streets.
Let’s see . . . a senator and presidential candidate from Illinois, the first black nominee in our nation’s history, speaking on the anniversary of MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech. Why on earth would they want the stage to remind audiences of, say, the Lincoln Monument?!
“There is no question in my mind that the bad judgement comes from the far right’s potty brains.”
TY,
what a piece of sh:t you are. You call Katherine, “Kuntsten” and then accuse the right of having potty brains. You f^ckin leftwing a$$ washer. Why don’t you get back to work washing d:cks at your sisters whore house.
Mr tteply, Democrats are all homosexuals. This is not correct in a literal sense. It is correct, however, for all practical purposes. This is not meant as an insult it is just an observation. If you are a Democrat you are a homosexual, or if you use such language, a queer.
I see dead people…
I want to clarify my previous point:
All queers are not Democrats, but every Democrat is a queer.
There are many queers that I admire and respect, and I would never insult them by calling them a Democrat.
So the resume should include something about being a failed oil man that got by on his family name until insider trading helped him raise millions, like W’s?
Yes. When you can say “But my Pa was president” your resume doesn’t need to be longer than half a page. And you don’t need t be sober for more than 8 or 9 years either. Or be capable of making a coherent sentence.
IOKIYAR
The democrate party electorate is showing its immaturity by nominateing Obama and passing up a much stronger canidate, Biden. Heck even Obama knows this. Thats why he chose Biden as VP. To shore up his lack of experiance.
Am I missing something, or is there a public relations disaster brewing for Obama with his Thursday night acceptance speech at Denver’s Invesco football stadium?
You’re missing something.
In other news, dog bites man.
Ok I need to try this one more time.
Pete Best dies tomorrow and the AP Headlines say; “Former Beatle dies”
Is the headline true? Yes. Is the headline factual? No.
Now if they continue in the article to describe him as a “former Beatle” and never mention the fact that he really wasn’t with the Beatles when they where popular.
Then the whole damn thing is a lie.
That’s what I’m trying to say about this “First Black President” thing. People or some peoples or somebody should have corrected this before it became uncorrectable.
PS; Seeing a AP headline started this whole thing for me. The headline was NOT TRUE and I thoughgt we where looking for truth.
If I learned anything from Jimmy Carter, it was his policy of “Trust but verify.” Jiffy Lube told me that they filled my tires with greenhouse gasses, but when I let some air out of one of them to check it, the air coming out was COLD! Everyone knows greenhouse gasses are warm.
I’m planning a class action lawsuit.
Funny…. It astounds me to think that the GOP is going to take this stance when the pictures sure look like the inside of a US Capital Building in Washington, DC to me.
I think it is great that this is what the GOP has picked to gripe about. Jealously breads contempt. Have fun next Thursday when half the country is going to be watching the start of the NFL season, while McCain struggles to stay awake on stage. The GOP will barely be able to fit 1/3 of the crowd in the Xcel Center that Obama will have in Denver.
Oh yeah and good luck with avioding the symbolism on Monday night when another hurricane hits the Gulf on Monday when G.W. Shrub is going to be addressing his minions. It’s only fitting.
In other news…Cindy McCain will be getting fresh Botox and a little tighting. (hey…LOTS of middle class non-elitistpeople get Botox and Plastic Surgury) before the convention.
Please…this whole OMG Greek Temple thing is just the McCain/Rove camp is grasping at straws.
McCain probably has 7 (or is it 10…11?) Greek temples. But most of them are investment temples. Lots of middle class have investment temples.
KK,
So now you are criticizing something you have not yet seen?
Tiny give it a rest.
I can’t its like me knowing a appliance that isn’t being used is still plugged in. It will drive me nuts until I start to forget about then somebody reminds me.
And I don’t know who is running this show but this Football deal is not a good idea. It will play into the celebrity deal not to mention security concerns.
“In other news…Cindy McCain” has giving a TON of money to charities and foundations. How much have you given Shrimpy?
“So now you are criticizing something you have not yet seen?”
Search the internet you bonehead. Its all setup and you can see it.
wow… i came here to see if the posters on this blog were as crazy as the old prude alarmist harpy that writes it, and i’m amazed. The righties on here are even more crazy than kersten is. Fellow liberals, a question; Why do you try to argue with these nutjobs? You can’t change their minds; they don’t think for themselves, they just follow the rove/rush script. These are the same people that call having an open mind “flip-flopping”. These people think the earth is only 6000 years old. They vote for people like ted stevens. They consider stubbornness a virtue. They condemn tax and spend, then turn around and spend money the country doesn’t have, without raising taxes.
You cannot reason with the unreasonable. Stop trying. Let these wackos have their little Korner of Kraziness.
Peace.
“LOTS of middle class non-elitistpeople get Botox ”
Actually it would be “Lower Class, Welfare, and Medically dependent on the State” types.
Especially those with facial nerve damage from Cerebral Palsy, Multiple Sclerosis, etc.
“LOTS of middle class non-elitistpeople get Botox and Plastic Surgury”
Are you going to make me find democrats who have had Botox and Plastic Surgery and then claimed to represent the middle class.
Come on Shrimy you sound like a KOSer
Ohhh I forgot the non-elitist part. Insert it at your own pace GHS.
I think Barack “The Messiah” Obama’s plan to preach from a fake Greek Temple will be a complete flop. This reminds me of the Wellstone memorial which was supposed to honor Paul, but turned into a pro-social*st, anti-Republican lib fest, and it backfired on the democrat party.
Tiny .. there was no mention of water fountains by your favorite mayor during the roll call.
Search the internet you bonehead. Its all setup and you can see it.
Well, “wonderous one,” if there is a link to such pictures, please don’t keep us in suspense. Since KK did not state she had seen pictures and also provided no link to such pictures, the logical conclusion was that she had not seen such pictures. Even the Reuters article for which KK did provide a link does not appear to have any pictures.
When republicans are “infiltrating” Obama’s acceptance speech digs, it’s pretty clear the party is paranoid about it’s future.
If stories about this infiltration are true, it isn’t the first time the GOP has done so. First, there was Watergate, and second, the Ronald Reagan camp stole President Carter’s debate notes prior to the debate. (I would also condemn any similar actions by Democrats.)
Republicans who are mocking Obama’s appearance haven’t mentioned it, but George W. Bush accepted his own nomination in 2004 on a set with a similar neoclassical theme, with columns rising on either side of him, as the pictures above and below show.
Please don’t confuse KK and her backers with the facts. They get down right testy.
“Max Power says:”
Which reminds I was talkin’ to GO the other night and we where wondering what are the chances this blog might increase in popularity starting Monday.
I really don’t care JonR, but it was really easy. *ttp://www.watchfreeepisodes.com/obama-greek-temple-pictures-heres-obamas-greek-temple-photos-from-dnc-stage-where-barack-obama-will-make-his-legendary-acceptance-speech/2122/
citizenjane,
Thank you for the link…it is unfortunate that KK did not do that. After looking at the pictures, all I can say is, “So what?”
The stage looks remarkably similar to the front steps of any number of Federal and states’ government buildings.
This entire “controversy,” if you want to call it that, strikes me as being just another of Karl Rove’s smear tactics.
Ethical Democrats…Definition of hypocrisy
I believe the democrats have suddenly developed a keen sense of morality. John Edwards has been banned from making a speech at the democratic convention for having an affair and lying about it.
Bill Clinton will speak in his place.
And John McCain, who ditched his dying wife in favor of a richer trophy wife, will accept the GOP nomination.
“Ethical Democrats…Definition of hypocrisy”
Um .. that pretty much goes both ways .. unfortunately.
I though his 1st was still alive and worked as a secretary at the White House or something?
JonR,
This former model is still alive. What are you talking about?
JonR says: “The stage looks remarkably similar to the front steps of any number of Federal and states’ government buildings.’
I watched that video there. I thought it looked like some of the buildings I’ve seen in North Korea. Big gaudy fronts with no depth. And NO I’m not trying to hint at anything. Just reminded me of that.
“Visiting journalists whose property was confiscated get it back”
Definition of a Journalist; Have a camera(s) and a website
So JonR you see no Parallel with this
“And John McCain, who ditched his dying wife in favor of a richer trophy wife, will accept the GOP nomination.”
and this
“This entire “controversy,” if you want to call it that, strikes me as being just another of Karl Rove’s smear tactics.”
I hope he doesn’t come out holding a glass a wine and a loaf of bread.
Cut it into 80,000 little pieces.
Forgive my confusion: Is this “messianic complex” talking point really being put forward by THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?? The same party which offered us George W. “God Talks to Me” Bush?
Astonishing lack of self-awareness, here.
Leland: “but every Democrat is a queer.
There are many queers that I admire and respect, and I would never insult them by calling them a Democrat.”
There are “queers” you love and admire, yet you try to insult Democrats by calling them “queer”.
Well, if I was one of the “queers” you loved and admired, I’d be asking you why you think I’m a second class citizen…
And from the ironic humor section of the RedStar:
Dave Freeman, co-author of `100 Things to Do Before You Die,’ dies at 47 after fall in LA home.
Mah-bul columns! You gotta’ get youself some mah-bul columns!
But Tiny you ARE a second class citizen. BALDY.
At a fundraiser for Obama in San Francisco on Monday House Speaker San Fran Nancy Pelosi said Obama is: “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
Meanwhile, Obama is claiming that it is McCain who is whipping up the messianic comparisons! What a laugh!
Ianscot you mean something like this here.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
Ianscot I think you wrote your post an
“Astonishing lack of self-awareness, here.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
Sounds like Nancy thinks he might be.
“The stage looks remarkably similar to the front steps of any number of Federal and states’ government buildings.”
I don’t know about that. It kinda looks like the set from Caligula. Toga Toga Toga
My guess is your fame on this board is merely because you dazzle the ignoramouses that frequent. Equal rights for all; your sexuality is not a choice, just like your skin color. We should not be legislating against love and those that want to form families. 100 years from now this same column will be written about how ignorant it was to treat gays like second class citizens. p.s. although I’m not a democrat, I’ve voted for democrats and my wife and I are expecting soon. That said, Sen. Larry Craig proved one can be gay and married with children. Too bad Rep.s and zealots make it so taboo. Perhaps Larry and his wife could’ve lived more open, honest and fulfilling lives had it not been for ignorant zealots in power….
“what are the chances this blog might increase in popularity starting Monday.”
Tiny looks like the looneies are already filling up the motels in town for next weeks festivities..
Monday, Monday
Can’t trust that day
Monday, Monday
It just turns out that way
Oh, Monday, Monday
Won’t go away
Monday, Monday
It’s here to stay
Oh, Monday, Monday
someone needs their medication
*cough*ttepley*cough*
…and my wife and I are expecting soon…
Congratulations!
That said, Sen. Larry Craig proved one can be gay and married with children.
Craig isn’t the only anti-gay Republican or anti-gay right-wing preacher to have proven this fact.
Forgive my confusion: Is this “messianic complex” talking point really being put forward by THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?? The same party which offered us George W. “God Talks to Me” Bush?
Could this be one of those “inconvenient truths”?
“what are the chances this blog might increase in popularity starting Monday.”
What kind of racist statement is that?
This blog is going to be fun next week .. actually, it’s going to be the beginning of the fun.
I’d bet 200 blog bucks that GO eats up at least 10 login names weekly, beginning next Monday through the election.
Liberals are pretty worried about what Slick Willy has to say tonight. He can’t stand Obama and has even made remarks about him being a Chicago street thug or something similar.
The liberal NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams was salivating at the thought of another hurricane hitting New Orleans again and distrupting coverage of the Republican convention in St. Paul.
Greg,
I’ll do my best not to make a liar out of ya.
“In other news…Cindy McCain” has giving a TON of money to charities and foundations. How much have you given Shrimpy?
Sure, but how many of them has she NOT stolen from to support her drug habit? The real question is; How many charities have you started only to steal from later shrimpy, er, tiny?
Downtown Dan says: Sure, but how many of them has she NOT stolen from to support her drug habit?
EXACTLY !!
Lack of evidence is Always Proof of Guilt
Uhh, sorry, but her personal confession was already proof of guilt (a confession is generally pretty good evidence toward Proof of Guilt). I was only asking how many of her charities she hadn’t stolen from to support her (self admited) drug habit.
I knew she confessed to ONE, but was agreeing that there is other charities that she has NOT been caught stealing from. So she must be guilty. Just like Cheney.
Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan (and author of What Happened: Inside the Bush White House)testified before a House Judiciary Committee that while he doubts PeeResident Shrubya ordered the leak of super-duper, top secret, CIA coffee-swizzler Valerie Plame’s identity, he couldn’t totally exonerate Vice PeeResident Dick “HalliKKKburton” Cheney. Nor could he completely exonerate Cheney for the Great Chicago Fire, either. However, the total lack of evidence that Cheney started the Great Chicago Fire, along with his failure to confess to the heinous crime, is just another example of this very secretive administration’s refusal to be forthcoming and honest with the American People.
SEE the connection?
“I do not know whether a crime was committed by any of the administration officials who revealed Valerie Plame’s identity to reporters,” Scott McClellan told the shocked Congressional panel while he personally signed copies of his bestselling book, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception.
“Nor do I know if there was an attempt by any person or persons to engage in a cover-up during the investigation. I do not think the president had any knowledge of the revelation of Valerie Plame Wilson’s identity. In terms of the vice president, I do not know.”
Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL) vowed to leave no taxpayer dollar unspent to find out what else Scott McClellan doesn’t know and, if necessary, launch impeachment proceedings against Dick Cheney for any other crimes that there’s a suspicious lack of evidence he committed.
Good evening,
Just wanted to comment about how thankful I am for the freedom of speech.
I am glad I live in a country where the kind of comments above won’t cause anyone to be executed *cough cough radical Muslims* *.
I am glad that we are free to worship (and not worship) as we see fit (although I wish the government would see fit to tax these businesses as they would any other business).
I am glad we are not told how many children to have, what job we are allowed, have our food rationed to us, and many other luxuries that other places in the world do not enjoy.
I just wanted also to thank each one of you for your comments, and that I enjoy reading this blog every day not because I agree with you crazy ass neocons, but because I believe you are good people who care about our country and want to express your concerns and offer up different perspectives.
Thanks for the entertainment and discussions.
And it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard,
It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall.
Katrina revisted.
Are they gonna wait for their disaster debit cards this time. Will those who believe in self presevation ask the nanny state to step in and hold back the waters as Moses once did because of the strength of their messiah and the damnation of them that run in pursuit to the gates of obamanation? Did the belief of the almighty Bush fall victim to the squalor of deep water and septic gases of the imobile masses that languish at the bottom of the scrotum pole of life that was as it was before it could have been better because they then had at once and forever said so?
Bullsh:t.
The Republicans have finally put forth a candidate who is not right wing. I never believed it possible but they have nominated a centrist. A man who votes not for his party all the time but someone who votes against his party. The Democrats have put up someone who was voted the most liberal Senator in the Senate two steps to the left of Biden and one step left of Ted Kennedy. Maybe they could bring back Mcgovern the only one I can think of that is farther left.Isn’t it funny how we are told we are all so bad off. I get a kick out of the people on this blog saying how bad the country is now. They are sitting at home in front of a $2000 computer and complaining how bad off they are. Americans wake up! We are in a great country where people have an equal opportunity. They complain about the price of gas. That must mean they own a car. I just spent 8 months in a third world country where I saw one family living a board under a tree. No roof, no water, nothing. Boy, things are really bad here. This is the greatest country in the world and that is why so many are trying to get in to America. I read one blogger earlier that said we have to change things. Why change, do you have food on the table, do you have a roof, are you sitting at a computer. If your sitting at a computer and things are so bad sell the computer and buy health insurance. Sell the computer and buy gas. Just quit whining. God Bless America.
There are many queers that I admire and respect, and I would never insult them by calling them a Democrat.
As a gay man, I can think of few more insulting things to be called than a Republican. I am a proud Democrat, although too many Democratic leaders have been spineless lately; a great disappointment.
Fellow liberals, a question; Why do you try to argue with these nutjobs? You can’t change their minds
Some of them can see reason on occasion. Once in a while a mind is changed here (including mine).
You cannot reason with the unreasonable.
Very true. But they’re not all unreasonable. Just most of them.
Stop trying.
Never! Have you no appreciation for what those who came before you in this nation have accomplished? How much would they have accomplished had they stopped trying? What kind of a country would we live in if women had stopped trying to obtain the right to vote, or if abolitionists had stopped trying to free the slaves? I will never give up fighting for what I believe in. Even here in this “little Korner of Kraziness.”
I get a kick out of the people on this blog saying how bad the country is now….We are in a great country where people have an equal opportunity….I read one blogger earlier that said we have to change things. Why change, do you have food on the table, do you have a roof, are you sitting at a computer….Just quit whining.
I get a kick out of people who think everyone living in the United States has it made. Equal opportunity? You’ve got to be kidding. In most states it’s legal to fire gay people just because they’re gay. Top law students of liberal persuasion didn’t have “equal opportunity” when applying for work at the Department of “Justice.” Need I go on?
Yes, people who post here must be using a computer. Are they sitting at a $2,000 computer at home? Some are. Others have to use computers located in public libraries because they can’t afford a computer of their own. They don’t necessarily have food on the table, and some don’t know if they’ll have a roof over their head tonight.
You say to “just quit whining.” Why don’t you open your eyes and ears and learn about people who are not as fortunate as you are? There are a lot of them; you won’t have a hard time finding them. Ask someone in their fifties what it’s like to be laid off with a mortgage and kids in college. Ask someone fighting cancer what it’s like to lose their health insurance because they’re too sick to work. Ask a homeless veteran with a mental illness what it’s like to serve your country with honor, only to be denied the treatment you need and deserve.
Why change? Because in this “greatest country in the world,” there is no reason that anyone should be denied health care, a meal, or a roof over his head. Yet this is the reality for far too many people, and many of them are victims of circumstances beyond their control. centrist, take off your rose-colored glasses, unplug your ears and nose and take another look around you. Some people here do not have it much better than the children living in drainpipes in Mexico (yeah, I’ve seen that, too).
There are computers that cost $2000?
Hi, all,
EBF, you made a lot of very good points here. Thanks!
I do believe this is the greatest country in the world; that we modern Americans have a level of material comfort that most of the rest of the world can’t even imagine.
But that does NOT mean we don’t need improvement!
Hi again, all,
My present computer cost about $800 in 2003, and I’m told I can get a better machine today for half the price, which I don’t doubt. All the rest of my machines I got for free; they were other people’s castoffs. Dumpster-diving and packrattery save me lots of money. And I like money.
I bought my laptop for $400 last november. But I got a pretty good deal on it.
Hi Ebf,
“Some of them can see reason on occasion. Once in a while a mind is changed here (including mine).”
Ive noticed this. I especially appreciated your comments on the young basketball player who was killed.
“Dumpster-diving and packrattery save me lots of money. And I like money.”
..and Craigslist and FreeCycle ..
You’re far from alone!
Other than needing it for a specific business reason, why would anyone spend 2g’s on a computer?
This sounds awfully mean-spirited, but anyone who is that fiscally irresponsible kind of deserves to be hurting?
EBF writes - “Equal opportunity? You’ve got to be kidding. In most states it’s legal to fire gay people just because they’re gay.”
Or you can get fired because people *think* you are gay, whether you are or not. Also, the beating a few weeks ago in downtown Minneapolis…a man got beat up because another man *thought* he was gay (even though the beating happened in front of the victim’s wife).
A man who votes not for his party all the time but someone who votes against his party. The Democrats have put up someone who was voted the most liberal…
A man who voted with Bush, the most extreme rightwinger ever to hold the presidency, 90% of the time, against a man who has only voted with his party 70% of the time.
But that’s what we’ve come to expect of “conservative” math. 2+2=whatever we want it to.
Could McCain even draw enough to fill mile high stadium? Is that what all the sour grapes from the GOP is about?
GHS, huh? What does the man being beat up have to do with Equal Opportunity? Or were you just bringing up a talking point? It is indeed a tragedy that some people can hate others so much just for being different. Whether it’s race, sexual orientation, religion, political orientation, whatever… I don’t know how people can just put them all in the same box and have such hatred for all of them.
Focus on the Family wanted people to pray for rain on the night of Obama’s speech at Mile High Stadium. www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/11/focus-action-pulls-video-asking-people-pray-rain-b/
No rain is forecasted for tonight.
However, Hurricane Gustav is possibly going to hit the Gulf Coast states on the first night of the GOP convention. President Bush may not be attending because of it. At any rate, it’s bringing up news of Bush’s delayed response to Katrina again.
I’m only saying this in response to all the right wing religious nut jobs that always tie weather events to something political…so it is a parody of sorts…But maybe God likes “rock star” Presidential candidates better than John McSameAsBush.
DJ…I’m just stating that employment protection laws and hate crime laws not only protect GLBT people, but also straight people that might be perceived as GLBT.
Until people realize that we all co-exist on the same mean ball in the universe, we will never get rid of prejudice.
GHS- If it rains tonight, can I throw that back in your face and call it a miracle? What if Obama gets struck by lightning? :)
Mr ttepley, Regarding your comments from yesterday, I support equal rights and opportunity under the law for gay citizens. Gay people are not second class citizens.
“Could McCain even draw enough to fill mile high stadium? Is that what all the sour grapes from the GOP is about?”
Big Rallies doesn’t mean election victory
Support of college students doesn’t mean election victories (they will let you down again)
Lots of rural voters don’t attend large rallies.
People who work don’t have time to go to large rallies.
So I’d hold off with the Victory declaration if you are basing it on the size of the rallies.
Second I think some eyes will roll and some comments about someone’s self absorption are the only things that will come out of this stunt.
And a million dollars on fireworks. In touch with the little guy?
In other news…Tickets still available to the John McCain “Road to the Convention Rally” on Friday in Ohio. www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/08/28/ddn082808tickets.html
John McCain tickets…anyone…free tickets to see John McCain…anyone…how about if we pay you…anyone…John McCain
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And the fireworks
That could feed alot of homeless. But shoes on alot children, give someone that aids medication they need.
Free tickets…See Cindy McCain’s new plastic surgery reveal…anyone..free tickets…Slide show of the 4-10 McCain non-elitist homes…anyone…Free tickets..anyone…
shrimy I’m going to copy and paste your post up there and save it.
And make sure you come around after Nov 4.
Tiny says - “And the fireworks. That could feed alot of homeless. But shoes on alot children, give someone that aids medication they need.”
So could John and Cindy selling one their vacation properties or Cindy giving up some of her Botox injections.
I wonder what this blog will look like after 11/4/08.
that’s fine tiny…I know there’s always a good possibility that the Dems will screw things up before November.
The Democrats are offering the same old failed, worn out ultra-liberal policies of the past. Those policies have just been repackaged in a new image, that of Obama. Beneath the glitz and glamour on the surface, Obama’s the same old, same old.
How could the Dems screw it up? Obama is sent to us from God. That means he can’t lose, right?
Tiny does bring up a good point though…the money spent on conventions.
All the money spent on *both* conventions and all political ads could be used for much better purposes…like bringing down the national debt which was caused by *both* political parties.
Both conventions are just big, expensive, dog and pony shows much of which is payed for by us the tax payer.
Maybe we as tax payers should push for the 2012 conventions to be held on YouTube instead.
“Obama is sent to us from God.” - That’s the Karl Rove spin anyway.
Yes, forget the confetti. The candidate and his wife should talk to us from a little television studio like Jack Van Impe and Rexella. Are Jack and Rexella still on television? They were hilarious.
“So could John and Cindy selling one their vacation properties or Cindy giving up some of her Botox injections.”
Godhatesshrimp Rove
G.R. says ““Obama is sent to us from God.” - That’s the Karl Rove spin anyway.”
No godhatesshrimp that was Nancy Pelois.
Pay attention will Ya
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
Isn’t every baby a blessing…even a baby Obama? Are you saying not every baby is a blessing from God?
“A leader that God has blessed us with at this time” is different than “Obama is sent to us from God.”
Geezez GHS, if Fox News hasn’t said it, you certainly can’t expect an F’in Moron like Tiny to repeat it!
I watched Bills speech last night. Funny how I forgot how tired I was of hearing his voice at the end of his 2nd term. With Bush I hit that wall around the time of his “Evil Doers” speech.
“Are Jack and Rexella still on television? They were hilarious.”
No but Viva and Jerry are. Ladies and Gentelman, ladies and Gentelman…. Two Bucks!!! Yeaaaaah!!!
“Geezez GHS, if Fox News hasn’t said it, you certainly can’t expect an F’in Moron like Tiny to repeat it!”
My guess is you’ve just recovered one of the top 10 spots previously reserved for GO. Are you greedy?
Why the name GypsyBiker?
Michelle Obama was her usual elegantly exquisite self.
She has First Lady class.
“A leader that God has blessed us with at this time” is different than “Obama is sent to us from God.”
GHS’ disection of the minutia is so precise that it could split political atoms. Give me a break GHS would you like to take this one back or are you prepared to take the crown of ‘Blogs Biggest Idiot’ from D2?
“Why the name GypsyBiker?”
Don’t get excited greg. Gypsy’s a peddle pusher biker not a “Keep Your knees in the breeze” bike
“She has First Lady class”
Really? When Hilary and Bill both spoke they couldnt leave the camera on her because she kept showing the ‘Bitch’ face.
“Michelle Obama was her usual elegantly exquisite self.
She has First Lady class.”
I’m sure this is code between you and L8 for some kind of imported Indian mud wrestling.
“Don’t get excited greg. Gypsy’s a peddle pusher biker not a “Keep Your knees in the breeze” bike”
I wasn’t excited. I was thinking more like someone with a cup holder on a new bagger for the latte’s.
“Really? When Hilary and Bill both spoke they couldnt leave the camera on her because she kept showing the ‘Bitch’ face.”
I was thinking ‘Cramps’. There were tears last night .. I think they were sincere. Then again, she comes across as pretty legit - but that’s just me and I’m sure it’ll get reviews.
“There were tears last night .. I think they were sincere.”
That was for Biden
” Then again, she comes across as pretty legit ”
About as legit as Hilary and Bill were. These guys HATE each other. Its obvious.
Mark .. I meant overall. There’s no doubt they’ll never invite each other over for BBQ, but they’ll put up with each other for the cause.
Kinda like the annoying peer at work that you can’t do without.
Jimmy Carter was the only sincere democrat there last night. He sucked as president but that guy is sincere.
“Really? When Hilary and Bill both spoke they couldnt leave the camera on her because she kept showing the ‘Bitch’ face.”
Really? I would call the her “F^ck me face”.
Man I bet if ya let her on top she would grind a guy into dust.
Hubba Hubba
Jimmy is old and doesn’t care - thus the full sincerity with no regard to ‘the rules’.
That’s more like it GO. The respectful thing just doesn’t work for you.
I’m just waiting for McCain to call his wife a c*nt again.
Cindy can’t throw a b*tch face…she only has one face after all plastic surgery and botox.
“You control your guns and I’ll control mine”
I kinda like that.
“That’s more like it GO. The respectful thing just doesn’t work for you.”
HA I knew I could’nt pull it off.
GHS you really go for that good and evil sh:t dont you? You dont dabble in the greys ever huh? You like to think you’re a compromise kinda guy but are really just waiting for your pound of GOP flesh.
Touch of Gray
Ike…I just like turning the same GOP methodology back on the GOP. If it’s fair to call Obama elitist..isn’t it fair to call McCain elitist?
“Touch of Gray”
August 8th is always a special day for me.
At least you tried. It was a valiant effort.
“August 8th is always a special day for me.”
You mean the 9th?
“Ike…I just like turning the same GOP methodology back on the GOP. If it’s fair to call Obama elitist..isn’t it fair to call McCain elitist?”
What you dont get is you dont ever say Obama is an elitist. If you want to be an equal opportunity ripper go ahead. But, if you always defend one and rip the other your a standard political hack, no better or worse than the other side. Youre just another robot.
If you’re going to act like a good little Dem soldier then wear it with pride and stop acting like you care about truth or anything else when youre just a party liner.
GHS,
Why don’t you mash Spitzer in the same breath you mash Vitter? Spitzer was the anti-vise crime fighter and then got caught with interstate prostitution trafficking.
“You mean the 9th?”
Yeah. I should have googled that one. I was going off of memory.
Talk about your all time over rated bands. My God.
“Talk about your all time over rated bands. My God”
No Doubt. Deadheads suck.
Because GO GHS isnt interested in ethics lapses or hypocricy on the left. He is your gold minted MSNBC dem robot.
If D2 and GHS were in the same room the existence of the universe would be in grave danger from the potential collision of the anti matter.
“Talk about your all time over rated bands. My God.”
There was some talent there, but it was kind of wasted .. pun intended.
Friends that were deadheads, but just couldn’t reach that level of irresponsibility.
“If D2 and GHS were in the same room the existence of the universe would be in grave danger from the potential collision of the anti matter.”
Cage match
“There was some talent there”
If youre talking about marketing.
“Cage match”
Put them in a cage, douse it with gas and toss in a match.
Deadheads are the biggest suckers next to D2 and GHS this world has ever seen. People like to think its all about the music and all that BS when the whole time the band was operating the biggest marketing coup of all time.
T-paw just canceled a bunch of media interviews. $100 bloggers says he’s the veep pick
this blog is the most wacked out and irrelevant blog I’ve seen
“this blog is the most wacked out and irrelevant blog I’ve seen”
Take off you hoser.
Keith Olbermann on msnbc is like watching an angry man on crack.
“T-paw just canceled a bunch of media interviews. $100 bloggers says he’s the veep pick”
So our choices are a young inexperiance nominee with an very experianced VP, OR a very experianced nominee that might not live through a full term with a very inexperianced VP.
Thank you 2 Party system.
Tluck,
I’ll take that bet and raise you 200 blog dollars that its gonna be Romney.
I wanted Romney to be the nominee so we could have First Ladies.
I’ll take that bet and raise you 200 blog dollars that its gonna be Romney.
You’re on.
Provided things aren’t so bad that you can’t buy toilet paper anymore.
Talk about your all time over rated bands. My God.
Yeah, the Dead’s drummer Mickey Hart is maybe even more over-rated than Neil Peart.
I saw Dick Dale at the Cabooze once. He called his fans “dickheads.”
You can go to blog hell DA.
“Provided things aren’t so bad that you can’t buy toilet paper anymore.”
Thats why god made underwear with a tag on the back. Monday, wednesday and friday tag on the outside. tuesday, thursday and saturday tag on the inside. On Sundays ya switch out with your brothers.
DA,
Did you see that Steve Foley died?
wow,
A short, relatively innocuous column really stirred up
the left wing hatemongers. They even used words that end in “unt”.
Ususally when someone gets that angry, it’s because they were told
something they don’t WANT to hear.
Is the “He is The One” rock star persona
starting to fade, as people begin to realize that Obama is just a
politician, and not the “gift from God”?
OR is it this?
After four years of the oval office being occupied by the illiterate and incompetant,
universally despised village idiot, the greatest minds in the Democrat party, Carter, Kerry,
Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, Dan Rather, et al, all put their superior minds together with the sole purpose
of getting the illiterate and incompetant, universally despised village idiot out of the White House.
Of course, we all know how that turned out.
Perhaps all the lib-rage shown by Teiresias, ttepley arises from the fact that no
rational person should ever underestimate the Democrat’s amazing ability to muck up
an election.
Ike, I just think it’s funny when a devout fan of one of the top 10 most wanking bands of all time derides one of the other top 10 most wanking bands.
A Rush fan telling the Deadheads that the Dead are overrated is every bit as ridiculous as Katherine casting aspersions on one party’s elaborate scripted posturing when much of the same crap will go on next week at the Excel Center.
I heard only d:ckheads go to the Caboose……. maybe it was canada.
“Ike, I just think it’s funny when a devout fan of one of the top 10 most wanking bands of all time derides one of the other top 10 most wanking bands.”
You’re the Jazz guy right?
The problem GO is, no matter how many names, the posts always remain lame
Just none in my caboose, please
rip Steve Foley.
Had to google him to tell the truth, didn’t know who he was.
One of the replacement Replacements.
When I think of that band I really only consider the lineup of both Stinsons, Westerberg, and Chris Mars. Although… I like some of Slim Dunlap’s solo work.
I’ve seen a couple of Tommy Stinson’s X-mas solo shows at the Uptown.
Was too young to see a real ‘Mats show back in the day. No one would have believed the fake id even if I’d had one.
I don’t worship the band but I love some of their songs.
Gypsy,
You’re just saying that.
You’re the Jazz guy right?
Insomuch as you mocked me as being a jazzophile because I once rattled off a half-dozen jazz drummers who could beat up Neil Peart and take his lunch money, well I guess so.
Jazz was a first love but my musical tastes are as broad as the Missisippi in Memphis.
That said, neither Rush nor the Dead get much play in my deck.
“When I think of that band I really only consider the lineup of both Stinsons, Westerberg, and Chris Mars.”
Im with you there. I do like the Slim Dunlap stuff too though.
I read tiny’s post about Pete Best and I thought about Steve Foley.
Everyone loves ‘Let It Be’, I like ‘Tim’ myself.
“Jazz was a first love but my musical tastes are as broad as the Missisippi in Memphis.”
I can go from Hank Williams, KRS One, Andrea Bocelli all the way to Iron Maiden.
I just HATE the dead, although Alabama getaway is a good song.
But man I cant stand Jazzophiles some times. They are like fashion students at MCAD.
Baby blue, powder blue ties on Clinton and Biden. The point I made yesterday, has to now be obvious for everyone.
And here I thought the malibu was green …
“Baby blue, powder blue ties on Clinton and Biden. The point I made yesterday, has to now be obvious for everyone. ”
So that baby blue tux you had for your prom caused a reformation of sorts?
And what was the name of the band Yanni played in while a student at the UofM?
What style music did they play and if you were to call them a ‘cover’ band it would be?
I don’t hate the Dead or Rush but the loyalty of their die-hard fans is baffling to me.
As a policy I try not to hate anyone’s music but I must admit some people’s music makes me want to smash things, starting with the source of the noise. Tori Amos and Kenny G are good examples.
I like the first Hank and the most recent Hank. The middle Hank irritates me. Hey, I bet he’ll play some ditty at the Repub convention next week.
You know what I would find even more insufferable than sitting through an evening of Kenny G and Tori Amos duets?
Sitting through a Democrat OR Republican National Convention.
Greg, can’t answer your trivia question but if I were handcuffed to my seat at a Yanni show I think I would chew my arm off to get out of there.
“Greg, can’t answer your trivia question but if I were handcuffed to my seat at a Yanni show I think I would chew my arm off to get out of there. ”
You’re not alone.
Hey, what time is Apollobama going to arrive at Obamapolis tonite. I only have enough time to watch him speak.
“I like the first Hank and the most recent Hank”
Ill see Hank III anyplace as long as its within driving distance.
Dale Watson was just at Lee’s. Thats always a good show. I saw Big Sandy and the Fly right Boys there a couple years ago too.
Did president Bush REALLY give his big 2004 acceptance speech from a “miniature Greek temple”?
Spitzer got what he deserved for his affair. Plus, he resigned. Vitter didn’t resign.
“I saw Big Sandy and the Fly right Boys there a couple years ago too”.
Nice.
Kinda Buddy Hollyesque. Did you see them out west or did they tour nearby?
“I just HATE the dead, although Alabama getaway is a good song.”
HMMMMM, the one song that they wrote with the intention of having a hit.
Oh well, I guess some people still turn the volume up to 11 when Hotel California comes on.
Came across my now all-time favorite Bushism, which replaces the classic, “Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?”.
Here it is. Just wanted to share it:
“Amigo! Amigo!” –George W. Bush, calling out to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in Spanish at the G-8 Summit, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008
I swear, I couldn’t stop laughing. I don’t have a television, so maybe it’s old stuff.
“Amigo! Amigo!” –George W. Bush, calling out to Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in Spanish at the G-8 Summit, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008″
I got the crap beaten out of me in middle school for telling the Italian kid he looked like a Puerto Rican.
GypsyBiker; “Geezez GHS, if Fox News hasn’t said it, you certainly can’t expect an F’in Moron like Tiny to repeat it!”
Alright
But that doesn’t erase the fact that hands down you are the dumbest moron I have encountered on this blog in a year and a half. And there has been a lot of dumb@sses on here. But you’re the King of idiotism. King of Silliness.
Your posts speak for themselves.
leland is there a link to a video or something. I am not sure why that is funny unless he said it in a funny way. If it was funny, I wanna see it.
Mr viking, Sorry, I have no video link.
No No I’m serious GypsyBiker. There have been some morons. BM, Notadumblonde just to mention a couple.
Their whacked out comments you could sometimes make logical sense of. But your posts? Its like the writings of a thirteen year old that been listening to Air America.
Its always one nonsensical sentence after another.
And I don’t think it’s a good idea to take shots at FOX. You have your own network now and they lie as much as Fox does. So what MSNBC so at least your nonsense will be up to date.
Tiny you forgot ‘ridiculousness’
wasnt that the one that ALWAYS had a better story
centrist says: “this blog is the most wacked out and irrelevant blog I’ve seen”
Centrist for the most part we can argue and name call but still be able to banter back and forth with the utmost absurdity.
But some of us don’t know the boundary of decency.
See just because someone believes in God that’s no excuse for finding joy in their murder. For example here is a blogger who made it his objective to be the first to post on a Monday morning after a 26 year-old young lady was murder at a church in Colorado last year.
GypsyBiker says:
December 11th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Wiil they start a Jump Up Fundamentalist Christian Gunman Rescue School?
I’m no fundamentalist but I read that post and then looked at this young lady’s picture. 26 her whole life a head of her and then there is this @sshole.
Oh then he claimed later to have never said that. Well Tiny had to track it down and prove that he is a lair. So now I have it copied and its easy to find.
Viking when I first came on this blog there was this one guy that tried telling me the squirrels in my backyard where bisexuals. What happen to that guy?
Beyond actually seeing the squirrels doing it which in it of itself wouldn’t really tell you anything. What other things or signs would I be looking for to determine if the squirrels in my backyard are gay or bisexuals. Not that it matters.
There is about a hundred jokes in that paragraph right there, but I’m half serious.
“..if the squirrels in my backyard are gay or bisexuals”
ya know .. some of the girl squirrels might just be demonstrating lesbian behaviors to get a guy squirrel. you know the type .. he’s got lots of nuts ..
Tiny unless it was MOI, not sure.
T-paw just canceled a bunch of media interviews. $100 bloggers says he’s the veep pick
Why should anyone be surprised that anti-gay bigot McCain would choose anti-gay bigot Pawlenty as a running mate? We all know that the Gay-bashers On Parade party is fundamentally bigoted, anti-gay, and homophobic.
“ya know .. some of the girl squirrels might just be demonstrating lesbian behaviors to get a guy squirrel. you know the type .. he’s got lots of nuts ..”
See thats just all to confusing to Tiny. But your right a guy should also be looking for Lesbian tendances from his squirrels. But as we did learn the other day that the girl squirrels could be kissing but that doesn’t necessarily make them Lesbians.
Greg “he’s got lots of nuts”. Thats a start (C-/C and no Mullet bias)There are much better play on words hidden that profound post.
I’m being a centrist .. thus the C.
Extremism sucks.
JonRove says:”Why should anyone be surprised that anti-gay bigot McCain would choose anti-gay bigot Pawlenty as a running mate? We all know that the Gay-bashers On Parade party is fundamentally bigoted, anti-gay, and homophobic.”
Obama is this to. Let me remind you for the 10,000th time. You stated that if someone (me) supported Civil unions but not Gay marriage that someone(me)was a bigot. I remember very well because I tried very hard to find a middle ground but you would have none of it.
So under your own definition Obama is also a bigot. So could you please repost that and include him amongst your list I’d really appreciate it, JR.
I’m almost ashamed to say that I know that the name of the band Yanni played in was called Chameleon.
Tiny, pay attenetion and get back to the topic. Now, were these squirrels in you backyard Reds or Grey’s?
….or Fox Squirrels
You know somebody more enterprising then me should have had a few “Carbon Offsets” Stands at this deal tonight.
“Now, were these squirrels in you backyard Reds or Grey’s?”
Well I don’t know if they’re Communist or not. Unless they go carrying pictures of chairman Mao.
Che alert Che Alert.
Lets see how many of these well educated protesters next week haven’t figured out yet after all these years that Che was a “Pig” and a “Murder”. Hacked to death women and children to protect his own @ss. Some much of a “Pig” that Castro left him to die in the jungle.
Last time I saw a poster of Che it was hanging on the wall in my bedroom when I was 16.
tiny,
I have repeatedly stated that I do not care if the term is “marriage” or “civil union” as long as the civil union has same rights, benefits, privileges, and responsiblities as the “marriage”. You have never agreed to that condition. (It must noted, though, that using two different terms for the same legal state implies a separate but equal status and the USSC struck down that concept in Brown v Board of Education.)
If “civil unions” do not have the same legal status as “marriages,” then the question of bigotry does indeed arise.
True, Senator Obama does not support same-sex marriage, but he does support civil unions, which Senator McCain does. In fact, Senator McCain has repeatedly cast Senatorial votes against laws that would have guaranteed equal rights for gays and lesbians and campaigned in favor of anti-gay laws in Arizona.
So, tiny, here are 2 questions for you that only require a “yes” or “no” answer.
If “civil unions” for gays and lesbians are given the same legal status as “marriages” for opposite-sex couples, would you support “civil unions”?
KK’s anti-gay marriage amendment bans not only same-sex “marriage”, but also the legal equivalent, i.e., civil unions with the same legal status. Do you or do you not support this anti-gay marriage amendment?
True, Senator Obama does not support same-sex marriage, but he does support civil unions, which Senator McCain does.
Oooooops. This statement should read, True, Senator Obama does not support same-sex marriage, but he does support civil unions, which Senator McCain does not
Katherine -
I find it totally frightening that the Star Tribune would have a columnist that would mistake the White House for a “miniature Greek temple.” Some day you will wake up and question why you allowed yourself to be a foot soldier for the right wing nuts that are out to drag down public debate into the gutter.
“True, Senator Obama does not support same-sex marriage, but he does support civil unions, which Senator McCain does.”
But I said that and I was a Bigot. So I’m having a hard time here.
I’m not talking about McCain or O’Cain or any Cain. I’m talking about why I am a Bigot and Obama is not. The Criteria is the same.
Judging on this issue with no prejudiced.
Tiny Supports civil unions but does not support gay marriage = Bigot
Obama Supports civil unions but does not support gay marriage = Not a Bigot.
I should be offended.
Lets leave it up to a “blog Jury” of our “blog peers”
Prairiegirl
Who is a 20 something Protester in for the convention from Iowa Alex.
Prairiegirl-
I find it totally frightening that you can’t read the Reuters’ story linked to Katherine’s column. They–and half the nation–recognized the Greek temple. By the way Prairiegirl. Did you read that the stage was designed by the company that does the Britney Spears’ sets. No, Katherine didn’t dream that one up either. Check out the New York Post.
The jury finds tiny not guilty, by reason of insanity.
The jury finds JonR guilty, by reason of insanity.
but figh44…it only looks like a greek temple because it resembles any of a number of government buildings in the United States. Hence the idiocy of the “Greek temple” bruhaha.
“Obama has been criticized for staging rock-star-type rallies that have presented him as a messianic prophet. (I blogged about this earlier in an entry entitled “America discovers the fifth Beatle.”) This trend reached a crescendo with his massive, outdoor rally in Berlin, which John McCain later ridiculed in an ad comparing his opponent to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.” — KK
Trend? Sorry to break it to you, Katherine, but you and your conservative brethren aren’t trendsetters. Look up the word “trend” and get back to us. If you still think it applies, I suggest you get out of the rightwing echo chamber more.
If he wins, will we have to worship him?
Yes, you will have to worship Tiny
OdinofAzgard ?
Who is a old male sandal wearing Protester in for the convention from New York, Alex.
Oh he’s a Big A-Rod Fan too. Loves the A-Rod, Alex.
GypsyBiker worships tiny litess.
Obama shares certain personality traits with Ted Bundy. Just an observation. Ted was a Republican, so there are slight differences.
“personality traits with Ted Bundy”
There’s a “B” in both the last names?
I wrote this while I was watching ( and listening this time ) to The Speech. I deliberately waited until the end of the speech to post this. Weird?
I just hope they have thought this threw on a security level. Look…that’s a lot of people. How many undercover do Ya think?
You’d have to have 1,000 just walking around. All the cameras and cell phones. And then people standing and sitting and standing and sitting.
How long has this been on the schedule? That would be my biggest concern.
And lets remember these people( law enforcement ) who are protecting your candidate tonight are the same people who are going to be spit on and have sh^t thrown at them come Monday.
Lets remember that visitors.
The democrat party truly is the feminine party. I’ve never seen so many grown men crying like babies as during the democrat convention.
Some day you will wake up and question why you allowed yourself to be a foot soldier for the right wing nuts that are out to drag down public debate into the gutter.
And then she’ll quickly remind herself of how lucrative it was/is being a foot soldier for the right wing nuts that are out to drag down public debate into the gutter. See Murdock. See Scaffi. See Moon.
Can anyone name a major media company that isn’t run by a rightwing activist/sympathiser? Jack Welsh? Michael Eisner? Roger Alies? Clear Channel? Sinclair? Any?
Didn’t Mencken once say you can’t get someone to understand something when their paycheck depends on them not understanding?
Dare you cried that day as you saw the car with Davy Jones in it speed by you on 394. Thats not right either. At least not in my mind.
Dan “Downtown” Rove?
The democrat party truly is the feminine party.
And the republicon party truely is the drunk guy who blew through the family’s inherited wealth and maxed the credit cards at the casino and then tells the bartender, “My wife doesn’t understand me” party.
I’ve never seen so many grown men say “Just another $100 billion dollars and I know I’ll win this game. It has to turn around some time. Screw the family’s health care and the baby’s college fund. I’ll show you, you nagging femme.”
I think KK’s columns are cute. It’s like being lied to by a 5 year-old. She’s at least good for a laugh, which is more than I can say for Lileks.
Tiny prediction ; a 5-8 point bounce. I suspect McCain will get it back so we’ll be right back where we started. Like I said the other day look at the Zogby US map. That’s where you have to watch. These polls up or down close or not mean nothing.
It’s the “Purple” ones stupid.
I guess I knew this before but let’s consider the Electoral College to be a Basketball game. Going into ever game the Democrats have the Big Three locked in Cal, Il and NY. Thats 107. To a game that only goes to 270 it’s a wonder they ever lose.
I know “Tiny you should have your own website. Tiny why waste this stuff on us” I know bugs me sometimes to.
“I know “Tiny you should have your own website. Tiny why waste this stuff on us” I know bugs me sometimes to.”
Assuming people could wade through the incoherent rambling, poor spelling, and bad grammar.
Lets leave it up to a “blog Jury” of our “blog peers”
Tiny,
While figh44’s decisions are quite compelling. I’d really like to see your answers to each question. Yes, or no for the first one, and since JonR mis-wrote the second one. I do, or I don’t
Lets leave it up to a “blog Jury” of our “blog peers”
Tiny,
While figh44’s decisions are quite compelling. I’d really like to see your answers to each question. Yes, or no for the first one, and since JonR mis-wrote the second one. I do, or I don’t
whoops
@$#%#
damn tags
Check the link at my 9:32 pm post.
JonR- Your bigotry is wearing.
Open your eyes.
JonR- Your bigotry is wearing.
Open your eyes.
“Dare you cried that day as you saw the car with Davy Jones in it speed by you on 394. Thats not right either. At least not in my mind.”
Tiny,
It was Mickey Dolenz on 694. He was heading to the Casino to do a concert with Davy Jones. I can give you more details of my brush with fame later if you would like.
Why is my comment being blocked?
“Why is my comment being blocked?”
You dropped tears in your keyboard?
Pat Buchanan’s ananlysis of last nights speach was at the very least sincere. I think his quoteswere something like or similar to .. “this was not a typical ‘liberal’ speech - it was fantastic” “the speech was not liberal, it was centrist” .. “this is the greatest political speech I have witnessed in my lifetime” (this one isn’t verbatim but contextually it fits what he said) .. considering he’s been to all the major political/civil events in the last almost half cenury, I’m going to look past any rhetoric and agree with him. It was pretty cool.
How odd is it that the only guy I can trust on MSNBC is a guy I was calling a Nazi eight years ago. Pat Buchanan is the only independent voice over there. It’s remarkable. His “review” of Obamas speech was a “positive” one I still think it was an honest one.
The other guys on that station, political Hacks in the Fox mold.
PS; I read Brokaw is really upset with Keith Olbermann and believes he is ruining the reputation of the NBC brand
“Assuming people could wade through the incoherent rambling, poor spelling, and bad grammar.”
I’ll give Ya the last two, but the first one.
Lets go to the Jury
“How odd is it that the only guy I can trust on MSNBC is a guy I was calling a Nazi eight years ago.”
Alot of folks thought that. Maybe he just moved to the center? Or .. he’s looked everything over and see’s what a majority of us see - a really, really big mess and to quote “Enough”.
The ‘rambling’ doesn’t seem incoherent to me. Normally, it’s presented as a discussion point and if you take it that way, it leads to multiple conclusions. There’s a point, and Tiny has his, but there’s often room for multiple points.
And .. nobody gets a day off from the potential ridicule .. NOBODY.
If McCain picks Palin, I’d bet the house that GO won’t be wearing pants for the next couple months.
jcf817? Really I don’t think my spelling and or grammar is any better or any worse then anybody else’s. I’m lazy. Plus I try to judge the person on the context of their posts not necessarily their spelling or grammar.
See I can read your post and despite the fact that all the words are spelled correctly and in the right order I still can tell you’re a Global Warming Moron-on-on-on.
If I misspelled anything there let me know I’ll be happy to repost her with your pretentious condescending corrections added.
“…to repost her ..”
her s/b here.
I just wanted to feel pretentious.
Pat just tells it like it is. No foaming at the mouth or this hyperactive excitement BS. I don’t think he lets his own bias get in there. He does what they ask him to do. He uses his political experience to an@lyze the situation.
Before the speech he said Obama needed to do this, this and this.
Afterwards he said. He nailed this and he nailed that.
Now I know Pat hasn’t had a conversion like the rest of those clowns over there. Honestly I didn’t like what he was saying and might have been calling him names again but I trusted that was what he was really saying.
Pat Buchanan is the only honest guy on cable news. Fact stranger then fiction.
Interesting, tiny, that you call me a GW Moron, when I’ve been very clear that I don’t believe we know for sure what is causing it.
Why do you call me a moron? Because I believe in energy conservation and renewable energy? Because I believe in the scientific method? Because I understand that a cold August morning in Northern MN doesn’t mean a thing in terms of the larger picture?
Not Romney Not Pawlenty.
Bailey Hutchison?
“Pat Buchanan is the only honest guy on cable news.”
I tend to believe the same. An @nalyst, and someone who’s only bias is to see a strong country.
“Interesting, tiny, that you call me a GW Moron, when I’ve been very clear that I don’t believe we know for sure what is causing it.”
jcf817 we’ve been having this argument for a year. Your statement above just doesn’t jive with those you have made in the past.
Don’t back peddle on this. This is your issue. Unless you have finally figured out Scam that is.
I get this feeling he may be doing something nobody expects but not by whom he chooses - it’s how the introduction is conducted.
The ‘old’ part has to be addressed and maybe using technology is going towards that issue? Like this .. “I’m here in MN getting everything ready for the convention blah, blah, blah” on a big screen in a ‘heartland’ state fair backdrop. Hits the ‘old and out-of-touch’ as-well-as the incorporating the average man theme.
Lieberman? Ridge? Hutchison? who knows.
They are playing a good game though!
Has the Republican party moved so far to the right that Pat Buchanan is now a reasonable voice in politics? Or has Pat Buchanan changed his political views?
I don’t watch MSNBC, so I have not heard Pat Buchanan comment lately. It sounds to me like he wouldn’t be a viable candidate in today’s Republican party.
“and someone who’s only bias is to see a strong country.”
God…lets Hug Greg. Thats the phoniest bunch of BS. “Lets come together” means “vote for me”
Its Lieberman, no its not.
I thought a year ago these two should have just run together as independents with McCain at the top.
I’m fine with it but I’m a “moderate” and a new Republican. But no way can he make this choice.
“jcf817 we’ve been having this argument for a year. Your statement above just doesn’t jive with those you have made in the past.”
I’m not backpedaling. I know where I stand and have always stood on the issue. The burden of proof is on you. Show me where I’ve said what you claim I said.
“God…lets Hug Greg. Thats the phoniest bunch of BS. “Lets come together” means “vote for me”"
Sincerely, that’s why I’m paying attention to him. Not kumbaya by any means, but a sincere devotion to the country.
and ..
you realize that by offering the hug gig that D2 is going to attack your orientation. I mean, you’ve apparently changed the orientation of your squirells?
HA!
You need North and South Carolina
.And you need FLA. May it would help in help in Missouri/Iowa
I’d pick Lindsey Graham
The Purple Sates, The Purple states. Not how many people you get at your rallies.
“They are playing a good game though!”
The Press can create its own game. The McCain camp may have nothing to do with this.
But then again I’m looking at it from a non-extremists view point.
Think again, Kersten is missing something, again.
“Greek Temple” = Lincoln Memorial.
America’s first black candidate accepts nomination on the 45th anniversary of King’s “Dream Speech”
(which was delivered at the Lincoln memorial).
Now do you get it?
kuschnir nice stretch on the stretch.
kuschnir Rove?
“But then again I’m looking at it from a non-extremists view point.”
But not a practical non-extremist. Turn to ANY major cable network and what do you see ..
Think that’s by accident?
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